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Which thing annoyed you the most on Enterprise?

Which thing annoyed you the most on Enterprise?


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Other:

1. Didn't go 7 seasons.

2. Writing short cuts. Sometimes they seemed to think that viewers would not notice or would not care. They did the same thing in other series. Especially TOS and early TNG. The difference is by the time ENT came out there was competition from other shows and the standard had been raised.
 
I voted "other", which for me meant the inconsistent use of the universal translators. The writers seemed to forget what century they were writing for.

Some episodes like "Cogenitor" screamed out for it (especially where Trip was teaching the Vissian cogenitor to read by using a PADD with English speaker on it! Huh?)

The presence of struggling with language needed to be more prominent on the show, so that when it wasn't needed or not an issue (like "North Star" and the Old West), it stood out in contrast.

I would think that the only language Humans shouldn't have a lot of problems with would be Vulcan. But, there again, we should have seen MORE crewmembers understanding and speaking Vulcan back to the Vulcans.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Trip/T'Pol and the way ENT tried to emulate a "big 3" like TOS. I think I would have liked it much more had the show been treated like an ensemble cast. And yeah, I have to agree with the way some things appeared too 24th Century-like, such as the rank insignia and the combined helm/nav console. I wasn't a big fan of the TCW war or the Xindi arcs either.
 
The Good:

Enterprise easily fits within the theory that it is an alternate time line. In fact, there are few things within this series that lets a potential viewer think this way.

Enterprise has some great moments and episodes. The pilot episode is probably the most easily re-watchable pilot out of all of the Trek series. Some of the Xindi stuff was cool and Season 4 was a much better writing attempt at the series.

The Bad:

Enterprise mishandled canon within the Trek-verse...

http://trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=3997372&postcount=224

This problem is even mentioned on Enterprise's Memory Alpha Page in the summary section...

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise

The acting in comparison to the other series was bad...

http://www.firsttvdrama.com/enterprise/cast/index.php3


Side Note:

Oh, and yes. Some of the outfits on Enterprise were essentially carbon copies from the 24th Century.

Reman outfits were the same.

Section 31 outfits were the same.

TOS and TNG Romulan outfits looked different in design...

http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/romulans-converted.jpg

However, the Enterprise series Romulan outfits looked like a watered down version of the 24th Century one...

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/x4fNEZsdL1U/0.jpg
 
Blahh, I hated the theme song! Not only was it embarrasingly cheesy, it didn't sound like a Trek theme song at all. There was nothing exciting or adventurous about it.
 
Mishandling of Canon - I'm not sure what you mean by this, though I'm guessing you meant to say Continuity rather than Canon. While there were some continuity oddities, I'm not sure any of them were particularly more egregious than those brought up in other series.

I voted this, because it was the main reason why I avoided the series up until just this past year.

While they got the technology about par for the time period, the look of the starship made it look like something you'd see in DS9 or Voyager (I'm talking about the exterior, not the interior)

And yes, I'm fully aware that they couldn't try and make the ship look more primitive then what they had on TOS like using rocks and sticks to move the ship through space, but that's beside the point... the blue warp nacelle in my personal view were way out of place considering they never had those until TNG and the Phoenix in First Contact matched very closely to something acceptable for being prior to TOS.

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^ There was nothing fancy or glowing and it not only matched closer to how today's technology looks, but it doesn't exactly over shoot TOS's looks either.

They could have smoothed out the plating on the hull just a bit and made the color of the hull a little bit closer to a white like the TOS starships..... it would have been just fine for today's viewers.

Mind you, I'm also an artist/3D modeler/animator/graphic designer, so these type of things urk me when I can think of several different ways they could have designed the exterior to suit a decent balance between something ahead of today's real life technology and before TOS. (Believe it or not, it is possible to do, despite the continual arguments of 1960's or 50's reference comments..... for those who keep using those counter-arguments, you're missing the point)

I have no issue with the interior of the ship, nor do I have an issue with the level of technology they had at the time...... but you know what they say about first impressions and my first impressions were from shots I saw of the ship before it aired and what I saw in commercials..... in other words, it didn't look like it fit anywhere in the existing saga.

But the biggest issue I had all had to do with there never being a "Starship Enterprise" before Kirk's ship.... there was never any mention of this ship, no reference to this ship, no models of this ship in anybody's office/ready room, no pictures, not a single word of these people, the ship, their journey's, NOTHING until this show just got tossed at us and we're told to just basically accept that this ship always existed.

Now before anybody starts, I already heard the baseless arguments that it wasn't an NCC-1701 starship and because it was an NX-01, that excuses it's non-existence until now..... when just about every other form of ship called "Enterprise" throughout history that was worth mentioning was mentioned (Sailing Ship, The Aircraft Carrier, The NASA Shuttle, the 1701's, etc.)

On would think that for this being the very first Starship to leave Earth and venture out and explore.... someone in the future would have seen it as worthwhile mentioning, even if it was two lines in one single episode in any of the previous seriesez....

.... I also heard the baseless argument that because of Picard and First Contact, they somehow altered the time line to allow this little fudging of yet another Enterprise that originally never existed in any sense of the term..... and if that was the case, then to me that'd be a pretty huge dent in the original time line in that Insurrection and Nemesis would have been drastically altered or at least Picard and crew would have mentioned their future being different..... but everything went along fine apparently and I guess they were meant to do what they did.

Now I'm not trying to trash the crap out of ST:Enterprise or claim it sucks, nor am I trying to dispute the various excuses everyone has made up for themselves to excuse this whole situation.... I like the show.... now..... and I'm still getting through the series which I have yet to finish watching. But these were my reasons for not watching the show up until now.... and to be perfectly honest, some of the above still bugs me today, but I can push it aside and appreciate the show for what it is.

And while I imagine many in here will dispute and argue my above positions as being exaggerated and not good reasons to bash it for not being Cannon, you can fool yourselves all you want, but I am not alone in my position on the above reasons.

All they had to do to avoid these issues was name the damn ship something other then "Enterprise" and pretty much everything else could be easily excused..... they had Voyager and the Defiant..... and nobody cared.... they saw those starships as their own ships with their own stories.... but naming this ship the Enterprise only gave the impression that it was part of a legacy that it never was a part of before.

It's still a worthwhile show and I enjoy most of the episodes so far..... but this has always been the biggest problem for me..... it was like a big sign sticking out of the ground saying "HEY LOOK AT ME!! I SCREWED THE CONTINUITY UP!!!"

Oh.... and the music in the intro isn't all that great either.

Other then that.... good show. ;)



Added:

Oh and granted the other shows all had their own continuity issues, the above are the biggest, most blatant continuity issues that even people who are no huge fans of the show would notice.

Stories and character continuity conflicts are not as big of a deal as key factors like the ships and their looks which everybody recognizes.... you can grab someone off the street who never say Star Trek before, line up all the ships in order of their time lines and most would ask "What happened here?"

My answer would be "I have no clue"
 
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But the biggest issue I had all had to do with there never being a "Starship Enterprise" before Kirk's ship.... there was never any mention of this ship, no reference to this ship, no models of this ship in anybody's office/ready room, no pictures, not a single word of these people, the ship, their journey's, NOTHING until this show just got tossed at us and we're told to just basically accept that this ship always existed.

Now before anybody starts, I already heard the baseless arguments that it wasn't an NCC-1701 starship and because it was an NX-01, that excuses it's non-existence until now..... when just about every other form of ship called "Enterprise" throughout history that was worth mentioning was mentioned (Sailing Ship, The Aircraft Carrier, The NASA Shuttle, the 1701's, etc.)

On would think that for this being the very first Starship to leave Earth and venture out and explore.... someone in the future would have seen it as worthwhile mentioning, even if it was two lines in one single episode in any of the previous seriesez....
The reason this arguement fails is that all of the "history" seen in Star Trek is retroactive. Its unknown until a character mentions it. Zefram Cochrane is supposedly this great man, on par with Einstein, but we never hear of him until "Metamorphosis". Same with any number of great men and big events. Star Trek's History is fictional and full of gaps. the gaps get filled in on a needed basis in a haphazzard fashion. There is no master plan or history book to consult. Nothing in Stsar trek "history" says that Earth's first deep space manned explorer wasn't a ship named Enterprise. We just weren't privy to the conversations mentioning it. ( and the conversations seen in TOS-VOY are a mere drop in the bucket compared the number that actually woud have taken place.)

Do you seriously think Earths first deep space explorer in going to look like the Phoenix? A ship nearly 100 years old at the time of Enterprise!
 
The reason this arguement fails is that all of the "history" seen in Star Trek is retroactive. Its unknown until a character mentions it. Zefram Cochrane is supposedly this great man, on par with Einstein, but we never hear of him until "Metamorphosis".

Considering that was a TOS episode and TOS was the first series of Star Trek, I don't see why that's a problem since that's about as early as one can get in the saga for laying out things in relation to our real time line we're currently living.

Considering he invented warp drive, regardless if he's a drunk or not is irrelevant, since he's still technically as great as Einstein.... and there were logical explanations as to the age differences between both the TOS and First Contact characters.

Claiming we never heard of him until then doesn't really seem to make a difference and I am not following the point you are trying to make:

From Memory Alpha:
"Finally, Kirk presses Cochrane, and learns about the Companion. This is what he calls the strange creature that brought the Galileo here. Cochrane was old, and knew he wanted to die in space. So he took a spacecraft and left his home on Alpha Centauri for parts unknown. The Companion found him, reversed his aging process, and has maintained him here, ever since."

^ He was old in First Contact because in TOS, it was mentioned he was supposed to be older then what he appeared in that episode..... seems as though they matched things pretty well.

Same with any number of great men and big events. Star Trek's History is fictional and full of gaps. the gaps get filled in on a needed basis in a haphazzard fashion. There is no master plan or history book to consult. Nothing in Stsar trek "history" says that Earth's first deep space manned explorer wasn't a ship named Enterprise.
And yet with the continual mentioning of the histories of every other enterprise and their contributions to the Star Trek History, as already mentioned, one would think the NX-01 would have gotten a mention.

Sure there are gaps here and there through the saga, but trying to fill in a gap that never existed in the first place as it was, was imo an obvious blunder where the creators of the show attempted to slap on the name "Enterprise" for their show in order to try and suck in viewers.... and it failed considering the show got canceled.... granted there were many reasons why it was, but I know that was the reason why I never watched it (Compared to all the other seriesez I at least gave a chance and watched.... me watching it now, doesn't matter after the fact of it being canceled.)

We just weren't privy to the conversations mentioning it.
Sorry but that's an obvious subjective grab at some form of excuse to justify the ship's existence and its use of the name "Enterprise"

( and the conversations seen in TOS-VOY are a mere drop in the bucket compared the number that actually woud have taken place.)
All of the other conversations by all the countless other ships and crew throughout the ST Universe, from TOS to Voyager are irrelevant to the actual ST viewer.... ie: you and I.

The Universe we all know of as the ST Universe is know to us all by those shows, those crews and those ships.... to say that every single 1701 crew just never bothered to even speak of the NX-01 Enterprise, or nobody on DS9, or nobody on Voyager.... or not even the Borg..... is an empty attempt to explain away this obvious continuity issue and imo, was one of the biggest reasons why the show continually lost viewers to the extend it got canceled.

Remember, that's just my opinion, I'm not stating fact.

Do you seriously think Earths first deep space explorer in going to look like the Phoenix? A ship nearly 100 years old at the time of Enterprise!
Did I even suggest that the NX-01 should have looked like a tin cigar tube, let alone look exactly like the Phoenix?

I suggested that the warp nacelles should have at least looked like something in between the Phoenix's and the TOS Enterprise's Nacelles.

I suggest you read more carefully what's actually being said next time.
 
I thought the nacelles were the best part of the NX design. Very post Phoenix and pre-TOS.

I am not following the point you are trying to make:
The point is its all made up. None of it exists until the writers decide it does. Cochrane wasn't the inventor of warp drive, until he was. Spock didn't have a brother, until he did. Kirk's father didn't have a name, until he did. Pike wasn't the previous Captain of the Enterprise, until he was. The NX-01 wasn't in the Enterprise lineage, until it was. Its all retroactive. Once its mentioned and in place, then it becomes "history".

to say that every single 1701 crew just never bothered to even speak of the NX-01 Enterprise, or nobody on DS9, or nobody on Voyager.... or not even the Borg.....

I'm pretty sure the thousands of crew members alleged to be on or the hundreds actually seen on the various ships and stations in Star Trek did not have speaking parts. And I'm saying they probably did speak of it just not "on camera". This isn't the "Real World: Starfleet". Its easy to imagine there are conversations we dont hear, events we dont see and models or pictures that are out to be cleaned.

All this we didn't see or they didn't mention it so it can't exist reminds me of the classic bathroom debate or the when did Chekov met Khan one. Fans can be so literal at times.

is an empty attempt to explain away this obvious continuity issue
Of course it is. Its what we do! And we do it with every aspect of every show. If we like it we find ways to support it, if we don't we do the opposite

and imo, was one of the biggest reasons why the show continually lost viewers to the extend it got canceled.
Hahahaha, if you think the majority of viewers knew or cared about Star Trek continuity, I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
 
I thought the nacelles were the best part of the NX design. Very post Phoenix and pre-TOS.

NM:

The nacelles were too TNG looking in my opinion, as well. Among the fact that the NX-01 was an obvious rip off from a ship 200 years in the future, too. For me: the progression of starship design (ENT - TOS - TNG) just doesn't jive.


The point is its all made up. None of it exists until the writers decide it does. Cochrane wasn't the inventor of warp drive, until he was. Spock didn't have a brother, until he did. Kirk's father didn't have a name, until he did. Pike wasn't the previous Captain of the Enterprise, until he was. The NX-01 wasn't in the Enterprise lineage, until it was. Its all retroactive. Once its mentioned and in place, then it becomes "history".

No one is disputing that history can't be written within the series as the series progresses (or is retroactive). The problem within Enterprise is that it retconned things. In other words, there is a difference between being retroactive and retconning. One pays respect to what happened before and the other does not.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/retroactive

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=retcon


to say that every single 1701 crew just never bothered to even speak of the NX-01 Enterprise, or nobody on DS9, or nobody on Voyager.... or not even the Borg.....


I'm pretty sure the thousands of crew members alleged to be on or the hundreds actually seen on the various ships and stations in Star Trek did not have speaking parts. And I'm saying they probably did speak of it just not "on camera". This isn't the "Real World: Starfleet". Its easy to imagine there are conversations we dont hear, events we dont see and models or pictures that are out to be cleaned.

All this we didn't see or they didn't mention it so it can't exist reminds me of the classic bathroom debate or the when did Chekov met Khan one. Fans can be so literal at times.

I don't have a problem with us not seeing Khan meet Chekov. In fact, I have less of a problem with VOY's Threshold than I do with Enterprise's mistakes because we are talking about a series versus one episode or one mistake. Enterprise kept bombarding us with one thing after another that it was not really a prequel series. I mean, if Enterprise was supposed to be a prequel, and we were not told any differently (certain dialogue aside and what not), how could we tell this 22nd Century series apart from a series in the 24th Century? The point is... you can't. I mean, it has to be more than just the Enterprise's interior sets and standard uniforms. It has to convince us visually in other ways, too. (No advanced 24th Century looking ships, no phasers, no transporters, phase canons, ECT). It's just ludicrous to think that this is a prequel to TOS. I'm sorry. But it just doesn't fit. At least, in my opinion anyways.

And... it's not to say that this version of the 22nd Century couldn't be within the realm of possibility either. That's why I believe it to be an alternate time line. The point is that just doesn't sync up with the rest of the series. And no... our universe is not the Star Trek universe either. So the argument that it has to be more like our universe to fit with the times is irrelevant. The Star Trek Universe is it's own universe (separate from our universe).


Of course it is. Its what we do! And we do it with every aspect of every show. If we like it we find ways to support it, if we don't we do the opposite

As you know. I currently enjoy Enterprise as popcorn entertainment. In fact, when I first watched it, I liked it more than what I do now. It's the same thing for a movie you watched 20 years ago that just didn't seem as cool as you remembered it because you know more things about the world and have seen better films. Trust me. I would love to go back and enjoy Enterprise like I once did. But now I have new knowledge that tells me the show isn't what it really could have been. So I can't go back.


Hahahaha, if you think the majority of viewers knew or cared about Star Trek continuity, I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

As he said before, it was a combination of things that led to the shows cancelation. The continuity was just one thing that ticked off a lot of fans (viewers). In fact, there was this huge debate between Braga and the fans on it at Trekweb when the series was on the air. So to automatically assume that a certain percentage of viewers were not bothered by this would be untrue.


Side Note:

And... If your still not convinced.... try taking images from each of the series (such as exterior and interior starship designs, uniforms, technology, and weapons, ECT) and make giant poster board pieces of artwork out of them. Then go around and start asking high school students (who have never watched the show) and ask them which images seem more like 22nd Century type stuff, 23rd Century type things, and 24th Century type imagery. The only ones that will probably get the 22nd Century response will be the uniforms and possibly the interior sets. But that's probably it. Which proves my point that the show isn't what it could have been.
 
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It was so damn frustrating; you'd see a plot going somewhere and get all keyed up for the development then it would be Huh! where'd it go?:scream:
 
No one is disputing that history can't be written within the series as the series progresses (or is retroactive). The problem within Enterprise is that it retconned things. In other words, there is a difference between being retroactive and retconning. One pays respect to what happened before and the other does not.
Its all retroactive. Thats what "ret" in retcon refers to. Oh and I ( and most people here) know what the words mean. providing links is insulting and condesending. Adding NX-01 to the Enterprise lineage comes under the first definition in Urban dictionary.

I mean, if Enterprise was supposed to be a prequel, and we were not told any differently (certain dialogue aside and what not), how could we tell this 22nd Century series apart from a series in the 24th Century? The point is... you can't. I mean, it has to be more than just the Enterprise's interior sets and standard uniforms. It has to convince us visually in other ways, too. (No advanced 24th Century looking ships, no phasers, no transporters, phase canons, ECT). It's just ludicrous to think that this is a prequel to TOS. I'm sorry. But it just doesn't fit. At least, in my opinion anyways.
It a prequel because the dialog says it is. I know TV is a visual medium but use your ears too. Listen to what is being said. Eliminating phaser like technology, transporters or other tech seen in 23rd and 24th Century shows ( why pretend they didn't have them in the 23rd Century?) doesn't automatically equal prequel any more than showing technology different than TOS in TNG equals sequel. They handled the familar tech in several ways on ENT: it was new (transporters), it was a more primitive version ( phasers) or it didnt exist yet ( sheilds, photon torpedoes)

As he said before, it was a combination of things that led to the shows cancelation. The continuity was just one thing that ticked off a lot of fans (viewers). In fact, there was this huge debate between Braga and the fans on it at Trekweb when the series was on the air. So to automatically assume that a certain percentage of viewers were not bothered by this would be untrue.
He said continuity was one of the biggest reasons. I think it was one of the smallest because most viewers ( not all of whom are fans) really dont know or care about continuity. To succeed ENT needed new viewers not old fans.

And... If your still not convinced.... try taking images from each of the series (such as exterior and interior starship designs, uniforms, technology, and weapons, ECT) and make giant poster board pieces of artwork out of them. Then go around and start asking high school students (who have never watched the show) and ask them which images seem more like 22nd Century type stuff, 23rd Century type things, and 24th Century type imagery. The only ones that will probably get the 22nd Century response will be the uniforms and possibly the interior sets. But that's probably it. Which proves my point that the show isn't what it could have been.
I think their conclusion would be the "23rd Century' show was made in the 1960s, the "24th Century" show was made in the 1980s and the "22nd Century" show was made in the 2000s.
 
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The real "problem" with ENTERPRISE has nothing to do with the fanboy reasons you've listed, because no one outside of a few Anal Retentive OCD fanboys ( I count myself in their number) gives a damn about that stuff. The actual problem is the way they were telling stories, not the characters, the costumes, the tech or the canon. If they had bothered to examine where modern TV drama was going and what was successfull they would have realised that the episodic formula used in TOS, TNG and to a lesser extent DS9 and VOY was passe. Me, I grew up on episodic non-arc based TV, so I loved seeing that format being used. But outside of maybe L&O and CSI, thats not successful anymore. They tried a course correction in Season 3, but by then it was too late. The audience had already checked in, saw that it was "old fashion" and moved on.
 
It ended so abruptly. Nothing had a chance to develop adequately. For crying out loud, TNG ran for 7 seasons...how long was DS9. Then they give us this wonderful twist, the pre-Kirk era, the possibilities of storylines related to Romulan wars...and then, what...the Kerry-W debates? Really? I would have much rather continued watching Jolene Blaylock in that tight ass uniform.:devil:
That is what annoyed me so much about Enterprise. And, yeah the opening song was terrible.
 
Originally I was turned off by how the inside of the ship just looked so drab to me. The other thing was the guy from Quantum Leap playing the Captain. Since I have gained such a huge appreciation for the show, the look of the ship seems fine, and Scott Bakula is great.

I'm left with the lack of seven seasons, the temporal cold war, Mayweather's poor development, and the opening theme.
 
I really don't mean to sound like a hater, nor do I consider myself to be one, but for the first two seasons I don't think the show did a great deal to deserve seven seasons.

The argument can be made that TNG and DS9's first two seasons weren't stellar either, but they were made in a different time. Yeah, that's a cheap argument, but these days we have shows that don't make it past two episodes (or less)...for better or worse, these days if a show doesn't start off running it isn't going to survive.
 
"Other"

I haven't seen all of the series, just about the first half of s1, the Mirror Universe ep (definitely the best installment of that multi-series arc IMO) and the finalle, so I can't comment on much of the issues raised. I actually liked the uniforms, tho I think they probably should have used them more like how TOS used the 'karate suits' (kept them for the hands-on personal and had a more formal one for people like Archer, Hoshi, Mayweather and Reed (when he was on the bridge). So the thing that probably bugged me the most was...



Broken Bow

A scene where Trip is told he has lost his First Officer position to T'Pol and has some angst about it.

Now, I happen to think that Reed as XO would have made more sense than Tucker (as he's not on the bridge most of the time). But it is completely ridiculous that Archer would appoint someone from a rival service as his second-in-command particularly just after he'd meet her (T'Pol as Science Officer I have little to no problem with as it could be a civilian post as easily as a military one (the excellent 'Starship Enterprise "Broken Bow" (Alternate Version)' story on over on the Fan Fiction board http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=90084 showcases this in the well thought out OC Prof Polly Partridge).
 
I didn't care too much for the actors, but I especially disliked T'Pol (probably in a tiny minority here):

• A Vulcan wearing a catsuit seems...illogical
• Rather than being driven by dispassionate logic/reason, she seemed to be constantly in a bad mood/annoyed/irritated and acted petty too often

I also didn't care a lot for Archer: he didn't seem to be the kind of guy the entire planet would entrust with such the critical responsibilities of representing humans in first contact situations and acting — out of necessity — independently.

Finally, and this really isn't fair, but I would have rather seen a show set in the near future if TNG/DS9/VOY — say sometime in the 25th century. A big part of the reason I like Trek is seeing a positive future for humanity. Things were much grimmer in the 2150s (eg, the almost hostile relationship between humans and Vulcans.) I want to see cooperation, exciting technology, and exploration. They could have had StarFleet explore the Delta or Gamma (or Beta!) Quadrants in earnest (as opposed to in Voyager, where the purpose was primarily to get *out* of the DQ, or DS9, where most of the GQ was left unexplored because of the Dominion.)
 
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