Which statement by a Trek actor/creator annoyed you the most?

[Maurice]

... Were I interested in reading run-on sentences and disorganized thoughts, I'd visit a message board run by seven-year-olds.

And just whats so wrong about runon sentences where the writers are so passionate that they cannot catch their breathe because they must explain all the rediculous things that their strawmen of choice are doing or have done wrong and which offend the entitled and always right holy base of fans who really own Star Trek because of their devotion and to who fealty must be paid and yet said strawmen still do not respect despite the fact that these fans have demonstrated infinately more knowledge and that they clearly know more then everyone else about the topic?!!





Man... that was painful to write. I think I need to take a bath in punctuation marks to get over the trauma.

 

[Melakon]

Bravo for that effort, Maurice!

 

[Maurice]

Drat. I neglected to misuse the word "nonplussed" and the phrase "begs the question"!

 

[Kevman7987]

I now am imagiing Maurice taking an overly dramatic breath after speaking all that like Jim Carrey at several points in the Ace Ventura films.

 

[EnriqueH]

See, if I had written that, I would've avoided spaces between the words...

 

[Unicron]

For me, the Joan Collins "Edith Keeler was in love with Hitler" thing drives me nuts. She even repeated it on a Trek anniversary TV special (It think it was for the 30th Anniversary). You'd think that someone there could've disabused her of that notion...

I can't recall ever hearing that one myself before. It seems like a pretty bizarre take on "City" since that's clearly not what happened.

 

[Melakon]

See, if I had written that, I would've avoided spaces between the words...

There's always Mr. Smoke-too-much.

Yes, you're quite right. I'm fed up with being treated like sheep. What's the point of going abroad if you're just another tourist carted around in buses surrounded by sweaty mindless oafs from Kettering and Boventry in their cloth caps and their cardigans and their transistor radios and their Sunday Mirrors, complaining about the tea - 'Oh they don't make it properly here, do they, not like at home' - and stopping at Majorcan bodegas selling fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel and calamaris and two veg and sitting in their cotton frocks squirting Timothy White's suncream all over their puffy raw swollen purulent flesh 'cos they 'overdid it on the first day.' And being herded into endless Hotel Miramars and Bellvueses and Bontinentales with their modern international luxury roomettes and draught Red Barrel and swimming pools full of fat German businessmen pretending they're acrobats forming pyramids and frightening the children and barging into queues and if you're not at your table spot on seven you miss the bowl of Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup, the first item on the menu of International Cuisine, and every Thursday night the hotel has a bloody cabaret in the bar, featuring a tiny emaciated dago with nine-inch hips and some bloated fat tart with her hair brylcreemed down and a big arse presenting Flamenco for Foreigners. And then some adenoidal typists from Birmingham with flabby white legs and diarrhoea trying to pick up hairy bandy-legged wop waiters called Manuel and once a week there's an excursion to the local Roman Ruins to buy cherryade and melted ice cream and bleeding Watney's Red Barrel and one evening you visit the so called typical restaurant with local colour and atmosphere and you sit next to a party from Rhyl who keep singing 'Torremolinos, torremolinos' and complaining about the food - 'It's so greasy here, isn't it?' - and you get cornered by some drunken greengrocer from Luton with an Instamatic camera and Dr. Scholl sandals and last Tuesday's Daily Express and he drones on and on and on about how Mr. Smith should be running this country and how many languages Enoch Powell can speak and then he throws up over the Cuba Libres. And sending tinted postcards of places they don't realise they haven't even visited to 'All at number 22, weather wonderful, our room is marked with an 'X'. Food very greasy but we've found a charming little local place hidden away in the back streets where they serve Watney's Red Barrel and cheese and onion crisps and the accordionist plays 'Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner'.

 

[BillJ]

For me, the Joan Collins "Edith Keeler was in love with Hitler" thing drives me nuts. She even repeated it on a Trek anniversary TV special (It think it was for the 30th Anniversary). You'd think that someone there could've disabused her of that notion...

I can't recall ever hearing that one myself before. It seems like a pretty bizarre take on "City" since that's clearly not what happened.

This.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

For me, the Joan Collins "Edith Keeler was in love with Hitler" thing drives me nuts. She even repeated it on a Trek anniversary TV special (It think it was for the 30th Anniversary). You'd think that someone there could've disabused her of that notion...

I can't recall ever hearing that one myself before. It seems like a pretty bizarre take on "City" since that's clearly not what happened.

I think it has to be a reflection of her not seeing or thinking about the episode since she shot it in the 60s. Not that there's anything really wrong with that (after all, it was just one acting job out of hundreds she had over the years), but you'd think that someone could shoot her a summary of the episode before she goes onstage to talk about it (or write about it in her autobiography).

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I've started watching Eugene Roddenberry's documentary Trek Nation, and DC Fontana's interview hit on another one of my pet peeves: repeating the old myth that Star Trek was the very first show to have more than one pilot.

Like several other Trek legends, it's simply not true. The Dick Van Dyke Show and Gilligan's Island both had multiple pilots before Star Trek. A network ordering a second pilot to be made was certainly unusual, but it wasn't unprecedented.

 

[Maurice]

Well, Gilligan had the same pilot re-edited several times.

 

[T'Girl]

For me, the Joan Collins "Edith Keeler was in love with Hitler" thing drives me nuts

It all makes sense now, Edith's "peace movement" is really a sham to keep America out of Europe so as Hitler can achieve victory. All because she loves Hitler, and from that little speech of her's she is a fan of Wernher Von Braun too

Keeler is a National Socialist through and through.

Bitch.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

So two hours work for Sir Alec and he still seems upset in some way about his "legacy" doesn't generate a lot of sympathy from me.

First of all, I doubt if Alec Guinness is still upset about his legacy, given that he passed away in 2000.

Second, I find it extremely disturbing that you take the time to compose such lengthy posts but apparently do not have the time construct them in such a way that makes them easy to read. Were I interested in reading run-on sentences and disorganized thoughts, I'd visit a message board run by seven-year-olds.

Third, I think it's obvious you and I are never going to agree on this subject; it's probably for the best that we let the matter drop.

--Sran

You know you could have just written that last paragraph and let it drop. But, I guess that would have taken class and, instead, I see you had to get your cheap shots in by playing the grammar professor. I'm sorry if my failure to refer to Alec Guniness in the past tense was upsetting to you. I also can't help but laugh at the irony that you seem to think my getting bothered by actor's behavior isn't right, yet you say it is "extremely disturbing" how I gramatically write these posts.

Wow......I've gotten mad about some things on this board, but I can't honestly ever say someone's grammar is one of them. I've never been bothered by that let alone "extremely disturbed"

Truth is I piss away too much time in here as it is and, despite what it may seem like, I actually do have a full life and other important responsibilities, so I write what I feel and hit post and figure people are smart/understanding enough to realize I'm not going to go back and proofread and use the ELA handbook to make sure everything is letter perfect, and they can understand the gist of what I'm saying. This is not a job presentation or college application, it's a message board about a sci-fi franchise, so I don't really worry too much about grammar. Rest assured my writing skills have gotten me along just fine in life when they've needed to.

If you think I'm ignorant because of this.....fine, you've said enough dumb things on here that I can say "Right back at you kid." And I don't even have to include your grammar in it.

Well I hope you get help for this trauma my writing structure has caused. No one deserves to live their life being disturbed like you are over something like this. Good luck.

Here endeth the lesson.

 

[1001001]

So two hours work for Sir Alec and he still seems upset in some way about his "legacy" doesn't generate a lot of sympathy from me.

First of all, I doubt if Alec Guinness is still upset about his legacy, given that he passed away in 2000.

Second, I find it extremely disturbing that you take the time to compose such lengthy posts but apparently do not have the time construct them in such a way that makes them easy to read. Were I interested in reading run-on sentences and disorganized thoughts, I'd visit a message board run by seven-year-olds.

Third, I think it's obvious you and I are never going to agree on this subject; it's probably for the best that we let the matter drop.

--Sran

You know you could have just written that last paragraph and let it drop. But, I guess that would have taken class and, instead, I see you had to get your cheap shots in by playing the grammar professor. I'm sorry if my failure to refer to Alec Guniness in the past tense was upsetting to you. I also can't help but laugh at the irony that you seem to think my getting bothered by actor's behavior isn't right, yet you say it is "extremely disturbing" how I gramatically write these posts.

Wow......I've gotten mad about some things on this board, but I can't honestly ever say someone's grammar is one of them. I've never been bothered by that let alone "extremely disturbed"

Truth is I piss away too much time in here as it is and, despite what it may seem like, I actually do have a full life and other important responsibilities, so I write what I feel and hit post and figure people are smart/understanding enough to realize I'm not going to go back and proofread and use the ELA handbook to make sure everything is letter perfect, and they can understand the gist of what I'm saying. This is not a job presentation or college application, it's a message board about a sci-fi franchise, so I don't really worry too much about grammar. Rest assured my writing skills have gotten me along just fine in life when they've needed to.

If you think I'm ignorant because of this.....fine, you've said enough dumb things on here that I can say "Right back at you kid." And I don't even have to include your grammar in it.

Well I hope you get help for this trauma my writing structure has caused. No one deserves to live their life being disturbed like you are over something like this. Good luck.

Here endeth the lesson.

And I'm not too pleased, either...

Both of you please drop it. Consider this your one and only "friendly".

Thanks.

 

[Botany Bay]

Have you read been reading an interview with someone involved with Trek, or been watching a "making of" documentary about the show, when one of the people said something that drove you nuts? Something that was utterly inaccurate, or something so asinine that you couldn't believe they actually said it?

"We are all very pleased."

I'd shake my head every time Berman said that as the films and TV series drifted towards cancellation, and wonder what calibre of script would displease him!

 

[Melakon]

In some ways, Berman was a little like Justman. Both wanted recognition as a creative talent. Then when Berman was finally getting his name on scripts, the franchise fell in the toilet.

 

[T'Girl]

Then when Berman was finally getting his name on scripts, the franchise fell in the toilet.

Only in the view of some people, what would you have preferred? The franchise have remain under the control of drugged-up, stroke victim Roddenberry?

Please.

Under Berman (or B&B) Trek flourished, there was chaff along with the wheat, but a body of work that included some of the most fantastic Trek ever produce came from the house of Berman.

 

[GeorgeKirk]

Then when Berman was finally getting his name on scripts, the franchise fell in the toilet.

Only in the view of some people, what would you have preferred? The franchise have remain under the control of drugged-up, stroke victim Roddenberry?

Please.

Under Berman (or B&B) Trek flourished, there was chaff along with the wheat, but a body of work that included some of the most fantastic Trek ever produce came from the house of Berman.

Rick Berman was an excellent producer. He supervised an operation that, at its peak, encompassed the simultaneous production of two SFX-heavy weekly TV series and one feature film. The fact that production always moved smoothly along, and that episodes and movies always came out on time and usually under budget, proves that he was very good at that part of his job.

But he had the creative ability of a cheese log.

The best Star Trek produced on Berman's watch happened when someone like Michael Piller or Ira Steven Behr was overseeing the creative side of things. The more involved Berman got creatively, the worse the end result usually was.

Brannon Braga was great at coming up with trippy, high-concept sci-fi ideas. But he sucked at creating and developing characters. If he had a writing partner like Ron Moore to pick up the slack in that area, then all was well. But when his writing "partner" was Rick Berman (and I put the word "partner" in quotes because Berman was actually his boss, so it wasn't exactly a partnership) well, that was a recipe for disaster.

I think what everyone would have preferred was to have a writer-producer with strong creative abilities in Star Trek's drivers' seat.

All that being said, my answer to the question posed by the thread title is: anything that comes out of Richard Arnold's mouth. I really despise that guy.

 

[Nightdiamond]

I don't know the exact quote or what year it dates from, but I recall an interview with Patrick Stewart where he was asked if starring on TNG was a comedown after all of the Shakespearean roles he'd played. Stewart said on the contrary, many of those parts in Shakespeare plays were what prepared him for playing Jean-Luc Picard.

His acting as Picard actually made me curious about his other non trek roles and even a some Shakespeare which I was never interested in.



When Nemesis failed at the box office, some fans claimed Brent Spiner blamed it on the fans.

He said Nemesis was made for the fans, but when they didn't go see the film, they were sending a message they were done with them.

Some fans got ticked off from that. It could had been taken out of context, but Nemesis was simply a bad movie.

 

[Melakon]

Then when Berman was finally getting his name on scripts, the franchise fell in the toilet.

Only in the view of some people, what would you have preferred? The franchise have remain under the control of drugged-up, stroke victim Roddenberry?

Please.

Under Berman (or B&B) Trek flourished, there was chaff along with the wheat, but a body of work that included some of the most fantastic Trek ever produce came from the house of Berman.

You're misunderstanding me. I didn't have a problem with him as a producer, and have always given him credit for keeping the franchise running as long as he did. When I say "getting his name on scripts", I'm referring to his creative talent as a writer, and the majority of his writing credits was on ENT. His talent as a writer was far below his talent as a producer.