Which species and neutral zone did Kirk face in his Kobayashi Maru

[Yistaan]

Since Star Trek Discovery has noted that very little contact with the Klingons occurred before 2256, and presumably the Klingon Neutral Zone wasn't established until the Treaty of Organia, which species and neutral zone did Kirk face during his test? Has there been any explanation for this, in either canon or non-canon licensed materials?

I'm guessing Kirk faced a Romulan scenario, since they are the only other species with a neutral zone with the Federation.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It was the Klingons in the 2009 movie.

It's kind of bizarre Disco claims nobody's heard from the Klingons in 100 years when Michael's family were killed in a Klingon attack 20something years earlier. And they cite the Battle of Dontu V in the first episode, which was recent memory.

 

[Yistaan]

It was the Klingons in the 2009 movie.

It's kind of bizarre Disco claims nobody's heard from the Klingons in 100 years when Michael's family were killed in a Klingon attack 20something years earlier. And they cite the Battle of Dontu V in the first episode, which was recent memory.

Yeah, I noted those contradictions too. Battle of Donatu V and the Klingon attack on Burnham's parents were both before the Battle of the Binary Stars.

Also, the Federation outright says 70 years of hostilities in 2293 in Star Trek 6, so back to 2223? It may indeed be plausible that Kirk's scenario was with Klingons, although I don't know if there was a neutral zone the way it's described in the Wrath of Khan scenario.

 

[Kor]

I imagine that there have been various neutral zones in space, as various stellar consortia, confederations, etc. didn't wish to ally themselves with the Federation.

Kor

 

[BillJ]

It was the Klingons in the 2009 movie.

It's kind of bizarre Disco claims nobody's heard from the Klingons in 100 years when Michael's family were killed in a Klingon attack 20something years earlier. And they cite the Battle of Dontu V in the first episode, which was recent memory.

Yeah, Discovery makes zero sense in context with TOS or the TOS movies.

...an end to almost seventy years of unremitting hostility...

not slackening or abating; incessant:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/unremitting

 

[DonIago]

Spock may have been speaking a little hyperbolically?

 

[Yistaan]

Yeah, Discovery makes zero sense in context with TOS or the TOS movies.



not slackening or abating; incessant:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/unremitting

Spock may have been speaking a little hyperbolically?

I'll bet Spock purposely backdated the amount of time Klingon hostilities happened to the Doctari Alpha attack as he didn't want to remind everyone that his stepsister started the war with the Klingons.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I'll take Spock's word over that of the Discovery writers.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Kirk was facing off against the Xindi in the Xindi Neutral Zone (formerly Delphic Expanse).

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

Klingons. The Romulans didn’t renew hostilities with the Federation until 2266, so there would not have been a reason to include them in the test.

 

[Tenacity]

Klingons. The Romulans didn’t renew hostilities with the Federation until 2266, so there would not have been a reason to include them in the test.

When the FBI practice their marksmanship at the firing range, the targets have the face of John Dillinger.

John Dillinger was killed by Federal agents in 1934.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

When the FBI practice their marksmanship at the firing range, the targets have the face of John Dillinger.

John Dillinger was killed by Federal agents in 1934.

Apples to oranges. Dillinger is a face on a target. Using outdated Romulan ships in a simulation designed to test command ability (and character) isn’t practical.

 

[Infern0]

It was the Klingons in the 2009 movie.

It's kind of bizarre Disco claims nobody's heard from the Klingons in 100 years when Michael's family were killed in a Klingon attack 20something years earlier. And they cite the Battle of Dontu V in the first episode, which was recent memory.

Maybe in Discovery they meant there hadn't been any formal communication. Just raids/attacks which could have been done without any form of two way comms

 

[Jinn]

It's kind of bizarre Disco claims nobody's heard from the Klingons in 100 years

Good thing they didn't do that

 

[johnnybear]

The Klingons! Had to be them! The Romulans were out of the picture and had been for more than a century until Balance of Terror! The Klingons had fought battles and skirmishes with the Federation at Donatu V in 2245 according To The Trouble With Tribbles! Plus we must also conjecture that the simulation may have been updated slightly to address the current dangers in outer space for the Federation!
JB

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Why do we assume it had to have a neutral zone involved? I always assumed the Maru test was changed on a regular basis and there was no need for the new version to be in any way 'based on' the old one. All that really matters is that the test present a no-win scenario.

 

[Tenacity]

outdated Romulan ships

Why outdated?

 

[Shawnster]

Saavik's test was in a simulated starship that was soon to be retired. Saavik wasn't taking her test in an Excelsior simulator.

Perhaps the ship the student commands is also an old, outdated starship.

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

Why outdated?

As the Federation had no contact with the Romulans until 2266 (well after Kirk would have taken the test), they wouldn’t have known what newer Romulan vessels looked like.

Saavik's test was in a simulated starship that was soon to be retired. Saavik wasn't taking her test in an Excelsior simulator.

Perhaps the ship the student commands is also an old, outdated starship.

I think the Enterprise simulator was used because Saavik and the other trainees were slated to serve aboard her during the training cruise.

 

[Tenacity]

As the Federation had no contact with the Romulans until 2266 (well after Kirk would have taken the test), they wouldn’t have known what newer Romulan vessels looked like.

It is a simulation, the accuracy of it's appearance wouldn't be a factor.

The only thing that matters is that the "Romulan" ships would be able to overpower the student's ship,