Which Property Will Marvel Regain The Film Rights?

[Set Harth]

On Fassbender:

Whether or not he's excited to go up against Apocalypse:

Yeah, I mean, I haven't got a script or anything yet, but I'm always excited to see where Simon Kinberg's going to go with the next X-Men. X-Men's been great to me and allowed me to do so much, including films like FRANK. I've had a lot of fun with the cast and with the character, Magneto. So I had a good chat with Simon [Kinberg] when we were on our way to Moscow, and we tossed around some ideas on the plane over there. So I'm pretty excited to see how it all comes together.

In regards to what Fassbender wants from his character in APOCALYPSE:

Well, I can't really tell you. I want it to be in the next one! I've had these conversations with Simon and there's a certain strand of his story that I think is pretty interesting and would like to explore, if we could.

 

[Kibbin]

A few people are mentioning Westerns as a nice equivalent to the super hero genre and the main problem with that is money. Most westerns were quite cheap to make, especially in regards to sets and so forth. Now I'm not saying you have to spend a lot of money on a super hero movie I'm saying that they are spending a lot of money. This means that especially when you factor in all the behind the scenes stuff movies end up looking bad even when they do okay at the box office like Superman Returns. This is made all the worse by everyone looking at Avengers and trying to do that even if they are just making a movie about a friendly neighbourhood spiderman.

 

[Trek4Ever]

This is made all the worse by everyone looking at Avengers and trying to do that even if they are just making a movie about a friendly neighbourhood spiderman.

This is exactly why TASM 2 was so awful, it was obvious that Sony just wanted to copy what was done with the Avengers to have their own cinematic universe, but that isn't an easy thing to do.

I agree with most of the replies here that it's unlikely Sony and Fox will give up their film rights. I think the X-Men will be with Fox for the future. Spider-Man will remain at Sony until the films start bombing big time and the Sinister Six film is the first real test. But the FF is the likeliest candidate to go back to Marvel. It all depends on how the reboot is received next year.

 

[wulfio]

There's nothing wrong with sony trying to incorporate a bunch of villains and create a cinematic universe. The problem is their execution was awful.

All of their villains were 1 dimensional cartoon characters. And they weren't even interesting cartoon characters. And then it seemed like 1 writer wrote the 1st half of the movie, and 1 writer wrote the 2nd half. They completely wasted the acting talents of Foxx and Giamatti on a bad joke. The pacing in tasm2 was brutal. They completely rushed the last 30 minutes of the movie. The first bit had moments(all the stuff without Electro/Foxx was arguably ok), but the finished product was a joke with more plot holes than I could count.

It was a hot mess. But I don't see anything wrong with them trying to create their own cinematic universe. If they did it well, why would we complain? Their ambition is not what failed the film, it was the people making creative decisions.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Like IM2, TASM2 was a commercial for future movies of that respective universe.

 

[CaptainCanada]

I reckon they're pretty much all gonna fall back to Marvel just in pieces. I don't know how true it is but I heard that Marvel were actually after Galactus a while ago but settled for getting Daredevil back instead. The next time the deadline roles around they won't have that chip and so will probably have to hand him over and then the human torch leaving Fox with Herbie, or whatever the name of that little robot was.
With Spiderman not doing too great and X-men looking like it might loose some of its big names I can see both of those properties selling back various characters and what not for extensions on deadlines.

If Marvel was on the verge of getting the whole universe back, why would they trade that away for small pieces of it?

In any event, it's really not worth buying individual Spider-Man or X-Men characters (unless, in the latter case, maybe if the character was Wolverine, but that will never happen). They're a set.

 

[Booji]

Fassbender wants out, and Jennifer Lawrence wants a far bigger paycheck.

Where did you hear this about Fassbender? I just did a Google search that yielded nothing to back this up.

 

[Captain Craig]

I'm resigned to SONY and Fox both retaining Spider-man and X-Men for at least the next 10yrs at this point. I may not be enjoying the current Spidey but I don't see them giving it up prior to that. At least X-Men is back on an uptick it seems.

I'm not confident in Fantastic Four from Fox and hope that returns soon if for no other reason than the surrounding elements that can now be incorporated for the GotG franchise. This Trask FF reboot feels like a disaster a coming but we shall see.

Isn't Blade back at Marvel making all this Snipes and Blade 4 rumor from last week moot? Punisher is back. Ghost Rider as well followed by DD which they aren't wasting time getting back out there. DD debuts May '15 on Netflix!!

I'd like to see Namor as well, tangled rights issue or not unless it's tangled enough to make the representation not true enough to the character.

 

[Captain Craig]

Personally I reckon the super hero bubble will have burst before we hit that point

Possibly, there aren't many westerns being made now for instance.

Good stories and enough variety (Guardians Of The Galaxy and The Dark Night aren't exactly similar) should prevent burnout. After all, how many people think the action movie bubble, or the sci-fi bubble will burst ?

I think Relayer answered his own question.

A Western is confined to one specific point in time. They were relatable for awhile but it played out. You can only rob a stagecoach/train, thwart the railroads, outwit the savages and pan for gold so many times.

The ComicBook Film is a genre that can be crossed with other film archetypes. Period piece, Action, Spy, Thriller, Drama, Horror, Comedy or Sci-Fi.

It may wane at some point but unlike the Western I don't forsee it going away or being played out. If we agree to start w/Superman in '78 and that he's on his 3rd iteration on film in 30yrs then we've got so many more attempts at this with IM, Cap etc not to mention the characters they've yet to debut like Dr.Strange, Black Panther and DC finally getting their roster out there beyond Supes/Bats.

We may even get Dark Horse superheroes or VALIANT comics super heroes into the mix down the road as well. I'd at least bank on Dark Horse as several of their properties(Barb Wire, Mask, Timecop, Sin City & Hellboy) have been done so they have studio relationships. Ghost, X, Captain Midnight, King Tiger, Vortex, Blackout, Skyman, Barb Wire and others could one day, one day make the leap!!

 

[Captain Craig]

I don't know, they're shaking things up especially Marvel but I remember hearing that we're expecting about 24 super hero movies in the next four years. Now I would argue that the super hero genre is a bit more specified than sci-fi and what not. Now I'm enjoying a fair few of the super hero movies, especially the Marvel stuff but even I think we're gonna hit peak tight point soon. I could well be wrong and I hope I am.

On the other hand, how many romantic comedies get released every year? Or horror movies? Or historical costume dramas?

2013
Animated: 9
Horror: 9
Comedies: 14
Sci-Fi: 7
Historical/True Life: 12 (AmHustle, Lone Survivor,WoWStreet,Butler,Capt.Phillips, 42, Saving Mr.Banks, Rush, Jobs, Mandela:LWtF, Fifth Estate, Fruitvale Station)

Take comedies, I just counted straight up funny folk film. If you include action comedy then Pain&Gain is in there, it's also based on a true life event. What about Haunted House, it's spoof but also horror comedy. Some could cross genres so your count may vary but....

People seem oblivious that all genres get multiple films released every, single year but for whatever reason the hate parade on 6-8 comic book films a year is too much seems the popular internet haters mantra the last few years.

 

[Kelthaz]

People seem oblivious that all genres get multiple films released every, single year but for whatever reason the hate parade on 6-8 comic book films a year is too much seems the popular internet haters mantra the last few years.

And how many of those comedy films have 9 figure marketing budgets that bombard the entire world with their existence for months on end?

 

[wulfio]

People seem oblivious that all genres get multiple films released every, single year but for whatever reason the hate parade on 6-8 comic book films a year is too much seems the popular internet haters mantra the last few years.

It seems to me that it's because those people are not considering comic movies to be a genre in and of itself, but rather a single franchise or niche.

So they are not thinking in terms of comic books movies(batman, superman, x-men, spiderman, ironman, thor, etc.) in comparison to the genres of comedy/horror/action/sci-fi/fantasy/etc.

But they are thinking in terms of comic book movies comparatively to things like national lampoons franchise, resident evil franchise, police academy franchise, friday the 13th franchise, etc. or vampire movies, werewolf movies, etc.

I personally consider comic movies to be its own full fledged genre now, yielding movies with different tones and dynamics as opposed to lumping them together as a small niche, or comparing it to franchise fatigue we would get from one IP coming out with 10+ movies. Plus there is the stigma that society tells us, in which only nerdy people like comics, so the bubble is going to burst soon!

 

[Captain Craig]

People seem oblivious that all genres get multiple films released every, single year but for whatever reason the hate parade on 6-8 comic book films a year is too much seems the popular internet haters mantra the last few years.

And how many of those comedy films have 9 figure marketing budgets that bombard the entire world with their existence for months on end?

That's a separate topic but thanks for playing.

The question posed is quantity of the films released per year that are CBM. The charge by those is over saturation so pointing out how other genres also have multiple films released a year is the point being made. That comic films aren't any different from horror, animated, comedies etc...

 

[Greg Cox]

I like to think we've reached the point where a single high-profile flop will be not seen as a barometer for the entire genre, but as simply an unsuccessful movie.

(Unless, of course, it stars a female character, in which case it will inevitably be cited as "proof" that female superheroes can't carry a movie.)

 

[bigdaddy]

All Sony or Fox has to do is make make a cheap movie and they get to keep the rights. Spiderman might not be making as much money, but that has to do with the fact the movie cost $250 million with 200 million more in ads. Just cut that in half and the movies still rake in huge amounts.

And Marvel already has 2-3 movies planned a year, at some point there is just too many and other studios need to release super hero movies.

 

[Kelthaz]

People seem oblivious that all genres get multiple films released every, single year but for whatever reason the hate parade on 6-8 comic book films a year is too much seems the popular internet haters mantra the last few years.

And how many of those comedy films have 9 figure marketing budgets that bombard the entire world with their existence for months on end?

That's a separate topic but thanks for playing.

The question posed is quantity of the films released per year that are CBM. The charge by those is over saturation so pointing out how other genres also have multiple films released a year is the point being made. That comic films aren't any different from horror, animated, comedies etc...

No, it's not a separate topic. If you read back a few posts you're see that the topic is actually about a possible superhero bubble. My post was offering a different perspective on the issue -- it's not how many superhero films are released, but how often those films are shoved in the faces of the public.

 

[wulfio]

what on earth does a films budget have to do with market saturation?

Do you even understand what you're postulating?

 

[Alidar Jarok]

In fact, if anything, it's the opposite. I'd argue people go see movies as long as they're quality. A bubble is usually the result of a glut of crappy movies (or games, think ET). However, big budget films do involve greater risk so, if there is a bubble and it pops, I think superhero movies would be hard to pull off after that.

 

[Captain Craig]

Clearly Kelthaz doesn't understand the difference in topic of:
Market Saturation of a product
vs
Products cost to produce

So when he says they are not separate, when in fact they are, he displays his misunderstanding of the topic at hand. Which makes his arrogant even more funny.

The accusation/assertion is that a bubble is forming for CBM and that some postulate it will burst sooner rather than later.
Claiming too many and what I did with a snapshot of 2013 was show how many films in other genres are also released every. single. year.

For CBM to tapper off(burst bubble) I think the industry will need to see several films underperform and/or flop in a span of time, say 2yrs(cause that's the time frame to produce most so others will be in the pipeline as the 'burst' is occurring). So if over two years there are 10-12 films from Marvel Studios, Fox, Sony, Warners & others(e.g. TMNT,Sin City) and half underperform or flop that might be the indicator of a pull back. Might be.

 

[Kelthaz]

Clearly Kelthaz doesn't understand the difference in topic of:
Market Saturation of a product
vs
Products cost to produce

So when he says they are not separate, when in fact they are, he displays his misunderstanding of the topic at hand. Which makes his arrogant even more funny.

Marketing budget. I said marketing budget.