Which one do you prefer Picard S3 or The Genesis Trilogy + VI?

[USS Belmont]

In terms of long form of storytelling, the closest to PIC:S3 in the original series timeline would be the Genesis trilogy, you can even add VI to that trilogy and it wouldn’t really miss a beat. In fact, I think PIC:S3 has a lot of deliberate homages to that trilogy and VI. So which one do you like better? The stakes were quite high for TOS bunch: aging crew, Spock, David, The Enterprise, Earth and Galactic peace. For PIC:S3, it was aging crew, Family, Jack, Ro, Data, Earth and the whole Starfleet. Which one you like better? More satisfying? Better acting? Better effects? Better arcs? Better twists?

 

[Lord Garth]

I have to re-watch PIC Season 3 from start-to-finish before making a final decision, but I lean ever-so-slightly towards liking II-IV + VI better than PIC Season 3. But it's really close.

I think PIC Season 3 borrowed a lot from the TOS Movies, so I have to give the nod to the actual source material. I also feel like the TOS Movies stand on their own without watching any other Star Trek. With PIC Season 3, I think a lot is lost if you're not at least reasonably familiar with TNG and, to a lesser extent, DS9 and VOY.

So overall, I like the TOS Movies better on balance, BUT that doesn't mean there aren't certain things I liked better about PIC Season 3. I think PIC Season 3 had a lot more time to flesh out characters like Shaw, who never would've been fleshed out in the TOS Movies. I think Picard and Crusher talking about and arguing about Jack hits harder than Kirk talking to Carol about David, because we know both Picard and Crusher whereas in TWOK, we only know Kirk. We don't know Carol, so it's more one-sided in TWOK than it is in PIC. I think all the characters in PIC have very different points of view with fully fleshed out reasons for why they think the way they do and feel the way they do. Except for Kirk and Spock, TOS never had that kind of character development.

The twists are hard to judge. I've known all the TOS Movies cold for over 30 years. In PIC Season 3, there were a lot of things I called. Some things I didn't call, but more things I called in advance than not.

Then there's Vadic. In the TOS Movies, it doesn't take long to learn the villains' motivations. Here, it takes episodes and episodes and episodes and, unless I'm misremembering, Skullface wasn't explained. We don't really know much about Vadic until right before she dies.

I think the endings were just about equally satisfying. They ended PIC in a way that was uniquely TNG. I'm glad they didn't go the way TUC did.

 

[XCV330]

Then there's Vadic. In the TOS Movies, it doesn't take long to learn the villains' motivations. Here, it takes episodes and episodes and episodes and, unless I'm misremembering, Skullface wasn't explained. We don't really know much about Vadic until right before she dies.

I think the endings were just about equally satisfying. They ended PIC in a way that was uniquely TNG. I'm glad they didn't go the way TUC did.

I think Skeletor ended up being Borg Queen. She monologued her evil plan at the end.

In terms of long form of storytelling, the closest to PIC:S3 in the original series timeline would be the Genesis trilogy, you can even add VI to that trilogy and it wouldn’t really miss a beat. In fact, I think PIC:S3 has a lot of deliberate homages to that trilogy and VI. So which one do you like better? The stakes were quite high for TOS bunch: aging crew, Spock, David, The Enterprise, Earth and Galactic peace. For PIC:S3, it was aging crew, Family, Jack, Ro, Data, Earth and the whole Starfleet. Which one you like better? More satisfying? Better acting? Better effects? Better arcs? Better twists?

Picard Season 3 was somewhat entertaining and better than seasons 1 and 2, but I don't think it's up there with the TOS movies. When the nostalgia high ebbs off, the flaws start to show.

TWOK is a compact tight script with no fat tacked on. Every Picard season seemed to spin the wheels forever before getting anywhere.

TSFS is interesting. No, its not as good a script as TWOK, it undoes the biggest thing that happens in TWOK, but it's also one of the biggest things early on for world-building in Star Trek. It's the first time we really start to see how the sausage gets made in the UFP.

TVH is fun. Picard is not fun. Even the retirement-community-reunion isn't all that fun. It's nostalgic. But not everyone finds nostalgia fun. The TOS movies didn't have that feeling, except possibly TFF, and that's an entirely different set of problems.

 

[Racefuel]

If I must choose then I’ll go with the Genesis trilogy and TUC

 

[Tosk]

My answer is TOS 2,3,4,6 every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

[God's Starship]

I loved Pic S3 but it's not even close, the Genesis Trilogy + TUC clears it easy.
TUC = TWOK > TVH > Pic S3 > TSFS

 

[DarKush]

I'm also picking the Genesis Trilogy/Star Trek 6 over Picard Season 3.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

Probably the films, in the long run. But in terms of rewatchability in the near future, Picard gets the vote. All 3 seasons, in fact.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Then there's Vadic. In the TOS Movies, it doesn't take long to learn the villains' motivations. Here, it takes episodes and episodes and episodes and, unless I'm misremembering, Skullface wasn't explained. We don't really know much about Vadic until right before she dies.

This is where PIC 3 really falls down for me. Ya skullface was probably just the queen but why the disguise and male voice, how was she communicating through Vadic severed arm ?

It just gives the sense that the wrote any auld shite as a misdirection a bit like Lost used to.

I think I would actually prefer season 3 of we just knew it was the Borg from the start.
ST:III is forgettable but I would take II or VI over PIC 3 any day. IV can't really be compared to PIC 3 but is similar to PIC 2 and much better than it.

 

[DonIago]

Man, TSFS may be weaker than TWOK or TUC, but given it contains some of the most memorable and arguably pivotal sequences of the franchise I'd hardly call it "forgettable".

I haven't yet seen PIC S3. S2 was pretty disappointing, and the way S3 turns it back on several of the premises of the earlier seasons really bothers me, but I'm sure I'll get to it at some point.

 

[Paul755]

It’s the Genesis Trilogy and it’s not even particularly close.

you could make a legitimate argument that WoK and TVH are the two best things Trek has ever done and SFS while not up to that level isn’t trash . You can’t say that about Picard S3.

 

[Blamo]

I enjoyed season 3 of Picard and loved the finale, but yeah, it's not even close for me. The TOS movies, with the exception of five, are top tier Trek.

 

[Racefuel]

It’s the Genesis Trilogy and it’s not even particularly close.

you could make a legitimate argument that WoK and TVH are the two best things Trek has ever done and SFS while not up to that level isn’t trash . You can’t say that about Picard S3.

I find myself appreciating TSFS more as time goes on and I age.

As life begins taking people away..the idea of being able to save even one of my loved ones is more and more resonating

 

[Airmandan]

I've never understood the hate TSFS gets, I really enjoy that movie. It feels like a natural follow-up to WoK. I enjoyed Picard season 3, but if given the choice will always stick with the Genisis trilogy.

 

[Racefuel]

I've never understood the hate TSFS gets, I really enjoy that movie. It feels like a natural follow-up to WoK. I enjoyed Picard season 3, but if given the choice will always stick with the Genisis trilogy.

Because it didn't have the "epic space conflict" that TWOK has and was the original "Death doesn't matter in Star Trek" moment.

Why people praise it and bash things like Picard or Data being revived/etc is beyond me.

 

[Supervisor 194]

I'm glad that Spock, Picard, Data, and Kirk (?) have been revived.

 

[Racefuel]

I'm glad that Spock, Picard, Data, and Kirk (?) have been revived.

Kirk is "possible".

 

[God's Starship]

I've never understood the hate TSFS gets, I really enjoy that movie. It feels like a natural follow-up to WoK. I enjoyed Picard season 3, but if given the choice will always stick with the Genisis trilogy.

It's a good movie it's just sandwiched between two of the BEST so it comes off worse than it is. It also kinda backtracks from 2 in some regards, doesn't really reckon with a lot of its implications and ends up feeling a lot cheaper and pulpier by the end.

Btw is there any reason Nick Meyer didn't return to direct Trek 3?

 

[Racefuel]

Btw is there any reason Nick Meyer didn't return to direct Trek 3?

He was upset about changes made to the end of TWOK without his agreement and refused to return. My guess is the implied possibility of Spocks ressurection pissed in his cheerios and he decided to take his ball and go home.

Its funny because the Genesis trilogy is the only reason he was asked back to do TUC.

 

[fireproof78]

He was upset about changes made to the end of TWOK without his agreement and refused to return. My guess is the implied possibility of Spocks ressurection pissed in his cheerios and he decided to take his ball and go home.

Its funny because the Genesis trilogy is the only reason he was asked back to do TUC.

They added the tube ending, which I think Meyer did not want.