Which movie would you use to introduce someone with Star Trek?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by Mage, Apr 26, 2014.

  1. wulfio

    wulfio Captain Captain

    Jun 29, 2014
    Ontario, Canada
    It`s not dated for me. But for today`s movie going audience, which can be very fickle, I can see the effects being a major deterrent.

    Star Wars for example, is one of my favourite movie franchises, and many young movie goers who grew up with jar jar binks and so on dislike the original trilogy because of the effects.

    Unfortunately, for lots of casual movie goers, old means bad. The sort of people that can appreciate a Logans Run, or even movies like Monty Python and the Holy Grail, History of the World Part 1, etc. are the 1%ers.

    While I like a lot of classic films, I can understand that the majority of the movie going audience will not because they can`t look past certain things like modern day production values. And if Abrams trek was their introduction in to the Roddenberry universe, it`s going to be an uphill battle to introduce them to the TOS movies right off the bat.
  2. NeroShrimp

    NeroShrimp Lieutenant Red Shirt

    May 23, 2014
    Mega City
    Honestly, I wouldn't start someone with a Star Trek film that is new to Trek. I would start them with TOS. However, to answer your question I would probably start with TWOK or ST09.
  3. martok2112

    martok2112 Commodore Commodore

    Oct 8, 2013
    Find out, first, what would interest them about Star Trek? What was it that would pique their interest to find out what Star Trek was about? (I'm going to go on the premise that they had seen ST09, or STID initially, got hooked, and now they want to know more.)

    Space Battles?
    Interpersonal relations?

    If they answered all of the above: Star Trek The Motion Picture. It's pretty much got it all. It has the best opening of any of the TOS or GEN movies, with a space sorta-battle. It has interpersonal relations for those who like to know how the crew get along. And it has exploration...the Enterprise encountering and exploring the V'ger vessel.

    Space battles and interpersonal relations: Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, or Star Trek First Contact (although FC blows its action wad in the first ten minutes).

    Space battles alone: Star Trek Nemesis (The battle took up practically the entire second half of the movie, and did so with as many external shots as there were internal shots).

    Interpersonal relations alone: Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. (Or Star Trek V: The Final Frontier if you're feeling sadistic. :D )

    I remember earlier in this thread, someone had mentioned that Leonard Rosenman's score of STIV was perfect Star Trek. (It may have fit the movie, but it certainly wasn't my favorite score.) It was re-purposed music from Ralph Bakshi's animated movie adaptation of The Lord of the Rings (also composed by Rosenman). Just listen to the end titles of LotR Animated, and you'll hear almost precisely what would later become the themes for Star Trek IV. (And you thought James Horner was bad about repurposing his themes across multiple films?)

    My personal favorite scores for Star Trek are:
    Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (Cliff Eidelmann)
    Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (James Horner)
    Star Trek Nemesis (Jerry Goldsmith)
    Star Trek The Motion Picture (Jerry Goldsmith)
    Star Trek Into Darkness (Michael Giachino)
    Star Trek 09 (Michael Giachino)
  4. Destructor

    Destructor Commodore Commodore

    Feb 19, 2003
    Melbourne, VIC
    I've got a mate who saw First Contact without ever seeing any Trek prior to that and it completely turned him- he is now a comprehensive Trekkie.
  5. Tulin

    Tulin Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jan 2, 2003
    With the most wonderful man in the world!

    I hear ya, sir!

    If you are not using the plethora of "lol"s, YMMV and substituting "then" for "than" and don't know your "to", "too" and "two"s from one another then you're just not "down" with the trendy, funky, happn'n kids these days.

    Personally, I side with Mama Fratelli on the subject of kids.

    As for the notes that appear when the "Music by....." title card appears during the opening credits of TVH, I LOVE that melody. The OP probably wasn't even a twinkle in his parents' eyes when Majel Barrett was touring around the convention circuit in 1986, promising us a wonderful joint twentieth anniversary present and Christmas present in "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home".

    She wasn't kidding!

    The music fits the lighter-hearted tone that was promised, following the drama of TWOK and TSFS. Many paragraphs were written that year about the pattern as set by TOS where tension was deliberately released by including lighter episodes like "Shore Leave" and "The Trouble With Tribbles" amidst the darker outings. I wonder what the OP would think of the whimsical and light-hearted musical cues from THOSE episodes?

    Star Trek has ALWAYS had the lighter, "happier" music and Rosenman was simply following a well precedented tradition while adding a lovely nautical touch that fit with the story's subject matter in a highly appropriate manner.

    Personally, I LOVE Horner's two scores and recently purchased the two CD expanded scores for each film(and I NEVER buy physical media anymore - THAT is HOW MUCH I love them!), but Rosenman's score is whimsical and a great flight of fancy befitting a wonderful movie that stands as a highlight from my teenage years.
  6. Last Redshirt

    Last Redshirt Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Jun 21, 2014
    On the Starship Enterprise
    Undoubtedly The Wrath of Khan.
  7. gottacook

    gottacook Captain Captain

    Apr 27, 2005
    Well, I can't speak for the OP, but some of my favorite cues are from the season 2 outright comedies as well as "Shore Leave" and the comedic parts of "By Any Other Name" (i.e., the several drinking scenes featuring Scotty, with music mostly in 6/8 meter). Why do I regard those cues as musically nutritious, and Rosenman's music of 20 years later not so much? I would need to use many words (and music notation) to describe why I think so, and without at all wishing to seem arrogant about it, I've had a long and thorough music education and can back up my opinions with reasoned argument.

    Perhaps if I too had been a teenager (rather than 30) at the time of TVH, I'd have felt an affinity for its music. But y'know, I liked some music when I was a teenager that I would judge to be treacle not many years later...
  8. TheAdmiralty

    TheAdmiralty Commander Red Shirt

    Jul 8, 2014
    I'd say Wrath of Khan. Its just the best movie all around and provides a good example of the Star Trek ethos with Kirk getting pulled out of his planet-side job and learning to "boldly go" again. The emotional content towards the end will also help newcomers to TOS get attached to the crew.
  9. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer The Mod You've Known for All These Years Moderator

    TWOK has the advantage of being one of the best, most popular, and most accessible Trek films in itself, while also being 1/3 of a trilogy that contains another of the best, most popular, and most accessible Trek films; and said trilogy is also a good way to introduce the TOS cast.
  10. TV's Frank

    TV's Frank Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Apr 15, 2002
    Burbank, CA USA
    I gotta go with WRATH OF KHAN as well for the best entry-level movie of the series. It's the only movie of the series that my fiance has seen, she was pretty resistant to exposure to STAR TREK, but wound up really enjoying TWOK greatly. Afterwards, she watched some episodes of both TOS and TNG and found TOS more to her liking. That being said, I'm not sure I'll ever get her to sit down and watch the rest of the TREK movies!
  11. austen_pierce

    austen_pierce Captain Captain

    Aug 15, 2013
    Virginia Beach, VA
    Sorry everyone. Despite my personal love for the movies of old, I would use ST2009 to introduce someone to Trek.

    If they liked the movie I would show them STID, then work to TWOK, attempting to explain that the older movies have more heart but less heat.
  12. ichab

    ichab Commodore Commodore

    Jan 28, 2010
    If they like the JJ films then Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country and First Contact are where I'd go. They're all good Star Trek films with enough action in them so as today's audience wouldn't be put off by the techno babbling that tends to drag down the series.
  13. Green Shirt

    Green Shirt Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Feb 1, 2005
    Galaxy Quest :devil:
  14. martok2112

    martok2112 Commodore Commodore

    Oct 8, 2013
    Galaxy Quest indeed....especially if you want to introduce them to the "behind the scenes" allegories. LOL!
  15. austen_pierce

    austen_pierce Captain Captain

    Aug 15, 2013
    Virginia Beach, VA
    We've beat this up pretty well.... does anyone actually have an example of introducing a nuTrek fan to the older material. What approach was actually taken? What was the reception? How deep into Trek's past did the person actually get?

    Obviously we're on the honor system here. But I am curious to hear real examples.
  16. martok2112

    martok2112 Commodore Commodore

    Oct 8, 2013
    Well, my roomie is not exactly a Star Trek fan...although he had been introduced to Trek by a former band mate of his, several years ago. (I believe he said it was "The Wrath of Khan".) He never really followed through though.

    But, after I went and saw Trek 2009 in the theaters, and told him and his (then) girlfriend about it, they sat and watched it with me on a second viewing. They both were hooked. After that, they did ask me about older Trek episodes...and I was able to get them to watch a few with me. My roomie still watches some Trek with me sometimes if I happen to have it on Netflix. As I mentioned in another thread, I recently introduced him to Star Trek TAS, with the best episode it has: "Yesteryear." He reallly liked it, especially when he caught all the things that would influence the dialogue in Star Trek 2009. :)
  17. VST

    VST Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Jul 26, 2014
    Earth Spacedock
    Good question, this…

    My instinct is The Voyage Home given it's a nice, light, character-piece but really that feels more like a film for them to discover once they've met Kirk & co. I would probably go with Wrath of Khan, simply because it's my favourite Trek & if they don't care for that, well… maybe they're dabbling in the wrong franchise. :D
  18. Gaith

    Gaith Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 11, 2008
    San Francisco, CA
    How did it take until the ninety-third post for someone to say this, the correct answer?! :rommie:
  19. Mojochi

    Mojochi Commodore Commodore

    Aug 18, 2007
    I'd go with TUC & then go with 2, 3, & 4 in order, mainly because TUC is a great stand alone story. Great for warming someone up

    I can see the reason behind using NuTrek though too, if they're young and brand new to it