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To me, it's a three-way race between TSFS, TVH, and TNG-1 but I'm not sure which one comes out on top.
Well I know for sure that TVH was difentaly 80's because of the style of clothing and hair and the technogy. TVH showd that alot through out the film, more so TNG which looks more 90's than 80's.
It's a tie between TNG season 1 and TVH for me. Obviously, TVH is set mostly in 1986, so of course it will heavily feature 80s fashion, hair, etc. Early TNG also screams 80s, though. Maybe in the 2360s, there's an 80s retro fad going on.
I'd have to go with TVH, what with them heading back to 1986 'n'all 
The punk rocker on the bus scene lol!
The punk rocker on the bus scene lol!
They all were.
It's a tie between TVH and TNG season 1. TVH is not just mostly set in the 1980s, it also feels a lot like 1980s mainstream comedies. While TNG S1 feels so dated in many ways... and although the fact that I actually saw it in late 1980s, unlike the other candidates, probably is a factor for me since I remember watching it back then. But seeing it now also brings back just how much it feels like 80s TV as I remember it. The production, the music, the silliness... I seem to remember 90s TV being more sophisticated than that.
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Uhura and Savik's hair in ST:III date the film to a degree not found in any other Trek production.
Uhura and Savik's hair in ST:III date the film to a degree not found in any other Trek production.
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Lord Garth
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TVH is written a lot like an '80s comedy but, since they time-travelled to the 1980s it should look like it regardless of how its written. And perserving animal life shouldn't be a theme limited to that time.
TSFS has the Cold War stand-in adversary. Detente had broken in real life and so did relations with the Klingons in Star Trek. Plus Kirk puts on a leather jacket, steals the Enterprise, blows it up to stop the Klingons, and fights Kruge on an exploding planet. To say nothing about the clothes, the mustaches, the idiocy of Starfleet, and how unsympathetic Kruge was. I like TSFS but it was pure "Us vs. Them".
First season TNG is a reaction to corporate greed and the Cold War. They make it a point to argue that there's no money in the 24th Century; and the major enemy was supposed to be the Ferengi. The Federation and Klingons have clearly patched up their old conflicts and those Klingons who want to continue fighting are viewed as passe. I'd say this season was deliberately anti-'80s.
TSFS has the Cold War stand-in adversary. Detente had broken in real life and so did relations with the Klingons in Star Trek. Plus Kirk puts on a leather jacket, steals the Enterprise, blows it up to stop the Klingons, and fights Kruge on an exploding planet. To say nothing about the clothes, the mustaches, the idiocy of Starfleet, and how unsympathetic Kruge was. I like TSFS but it was pure "Us vs. Them".
First season TNG is a reaction to corporate greed and the Cold War. They make it a point to argue that there's no money in the 24th Century; and the major enemy was supposed to be the Ferengi. The Federation and Klingons have clearly patched up their old conflicts and those Klingons who want to continue fighting are viewed as passe. I'd say this season was deliberately anti-'80s.
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They all were.
It's a tie between TVH and TNG season 1. TVH is not just mostly set in the 1980s, it also feels a lot like 1980s mainstream comedies. While TNG S1 feels so dated in many ways...
This is the ONE criticism of TNG I've never understood. How exactly is TNG's first season dated?? It is more a product of Roddenberry's philosphy than anything else, and he couldn't help being a product of his time than we can of ours.
I really don't understand this "Star Trek (insert subtitle here) is dated!" argument, or why it's a bad thing.
Somebody please enlighten me.
Whether it's bad or not is not an issue. The question in the poll is which one looks the most like a product of the 1980s, and I've answered that. When I see TNG season 1, it's more obvious that it was made in the 1980s, and reminds me very much of the other TV programmes I used to watch back then. How is it dated? I've already answered that as well: production, music, dialogue, silliness of some of the storylines... With season 3 or 4 or 5 or 6, I couldn't date them that easily if I didn't know when they were made. I think that TV production made a major improvement in the 1990s, many of the 1980s shows seems as quaint to me as most 1960s shows do.They all were.
It's a tie between TVH and TNG season 1. TVH is not just mostly set in the 1980s, it also feels a lot like 1980s mainstream comedies. While TNG S1 feels so dated in many ways...
This is the ONE criticism of TNG I've never understood. How exactly is TNG's first season dated?? It is more a product of Roddenberry's philosphy than anything else, and he couldn't help being a product of his time than we can of ours.
I really don't understand this "Star Trek (insert subtitle here) is dated!" argument, or why it's a bad thing.
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Lord Garth
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I never said it was a bad thing. That's what you read into it. Other people might've said it was a bad thing but I never did. My childhood happened to be in the '80s, as a matter of fact. I hated my teen years, so I tend to have a greater fondness for the '80s than the '90s.
Some things are timeless, others you can pinpoint when it was made very easily by the way it's written, produced, or both. ST XI happens to be very much of its time as well.
TNG Season 1 was 80's in space.
TNG season 1. they introduced a fucking therapist ffs. how 80s is that?!
As I watched TVH I face-palmed and groaned "Ohhh this is so 80s" 
No, I know you didn't say that it's a bad thing, it's just that whenever this discussion comes up, either with my friends in real life, or through here, whenever somebody asks "what aspect of Star Trek is dated, and why?", the inference seems to be that the dated-ness of whatever the subject is, is that it's bad, and that something must be timeless in order to be good. After all, what's wrong with nostalgia?
Or, is that a bad thing?
There's nothing wrong with nostalgia at all. I get entertainment from watching TOS both from its timeless stories, and yes, for it's retro value.
I think TOS has aged better than early TNG actually.
Every production is of its time. Even though the original Trek was miles ahead of its time, in terms of writing; one can tell from its physical look, and its production design, that it was made in the 60s. Same with TNG in the 80s. Same with every film and TV show ever made. I think that Enterprise will date horribly in some ways, just look at the theme song.
Same with the new film. I enjoyed it, but the Budweiser and Nokia ads, and Beastie Boys music will date it bigtime. It will be interesting to rewatch it in 30 years time or so.
I think TOS has aged better than early TNG actually.
Every production is of its time. Even though the original Trek was miles ahead of its time, in terms of writing; one can tell from its physical look, and its production design, that it was made in the 60s. Same with TNG in the 80s. Same with every film and TV show ever made. I think that Enterprise will date horribly in some ways, just look at the theme song.
Same with the new film. I enjoyed it, but the Budweiser and Nokia ads, and Beastie Boys music will date it bigtime. It will be interesting to rewatch it in 30 years time or so.
Meh, nostalgia is not what it used to be.
Enterprise theme song has been outdated years before the show premiered. Going by the theme song, one would think the show was made in the 1980s, when hair metal ballads were popular.
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