Absolutely agreed. I second the motion.
Which Has the Better Score: TMP (1979) or TWOK (1982)?
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The only other Trek movie score to get an Oscar nomination to date was Leonard Rosenman's score for The Voyage Home, which is generally reviled around here (although I like it), so Oscar nominations don't necessarily mean anything.
trevanian
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The only other Trek movie score to get an Oscar nomination to date was Leonard Rosenman's score for The Voyage Home, which is generally reviled around here (although I like it), so Oscar nominations don't necessarily mean anything.
Yeah, and Horner got a nom for ALIENS, which would be like Goldsmith getting nominated for COMA (trying to think of a bad JG score, just remember that there was a 'disco' version of the love theme.)
Damm you, cardinal biggles. Why did you have to burst my bubbleThe only other Trek movie score to get an Oscar nomination to date was Leonard Rosenman's score for The Voyage Home, which is generally reviled around here (although I like it), so Oscar nominations don't necessarily mean anything.
. Wait a minute wasn't there a ear infection epidemic(in Hollywood) about the same time as TVH score was nominated for the Oscarss
All these years I have been a big fan of Horner's score in II and III. I had bought the tapes, then upgraded to cd's, now I have them on my Zune. I have always loved the way he pares his music with the Enterprise.
I haven't seen TMP since the 80's. So I open this thread and everyone is voting for TMP. My first reaction is "no way!". I promptly go to youtube and listen to Goldsmiths Enterprise theme, thinking that I am going to be listening to Courage's rehashed TOS music. To my surprise, I had completely forgotten about this score. I was instantly taken back to my youth in the 80's, I remember staring in awe at the screen when Kirk was in the shuttle inspecting the Enterprise. Those were the days.
So, uh, I vote for TMP too
I haven't seen TMP since the 80's. So I open this thread and everyone is voting for TMP. My first reaction is "no way!". I promptly go to youtube and listen to Goldsmiths Enterprise theme, thinking that I am going to be listening to Courage's rehashed TOS music. To my surprise, I had completely forgotten about this score. I was instantly taken back to my youth in the 80's, I remember staring in awe at the screen when Kirk was in the shuttle inspecting the Enterprise. Those were the days.
So, uh, I vote for TMP too
I love both. I feel Goldsmith's TMP is operatic, while Horner's TWOK was bombastic...And honestly even though I feel asleep when I was a kid watching TMP; I did pick up the album. So tough decision but TMP all the way! 
Here's hoping for remasterd & extended sdtks.
Here's hoping for remasterd & extended sdtks.
The only other Trek movie score to get an Oscar nomination to date was Leonard Rosenman's score for The Voyage Home, which is generally reviled around here (although I like it), so Oscar nominations don't necessarily mean anything.
Yeah, and Horner got a nom for ALIENS, which would be like Goldsmith getting nominated for COMA (trying to think of a bad JG score, just remember that there was a 'disco' version of the love theme.)
Bad Goldsmith scores -- by that I mean not enjoyable listening -- are Extreme Prejudice, Insurrection, Twilight's Last Gleaming, Congo, Nemesis, and Runaway. At least these are some that come to mind...oh, and I'm not big on his score for The Sand Pebbles either.
Keep in mind, I have all these in one format or another. I used to buy Goldsmith scores pretty much without seeing the film or even listening to the music in advance.
That should tell you how much of a fan I am of Jerry Goldsmith.
My beef with James Horner is that while he has produced some great scores, he began to steal from himself FAR too much.
His best scores -- in my opinion -- are Krull, Willow, Star Trek II, Battle Beyond The Stars (yes, derivative of ST:TMP!), and Aliens.
The film Project X had a score by Horner that borrowed from Aliens and Star Trek III the theme for the Aliens/Klingons was kind of reused in that.
Although I do like Goldsmith's themes in his ST-works (I absolutely adore the FC-one although I don't think it's quite fitting for the theme of the movie itself), I think they were a bit repetitious - what might have been original in TMP got boring already in TFF. The same with the TNG-movies, especially the action sequences were often carry very similar music themes..
I far prefer Horner's score of TWOK (and TSFS). When I listen to the music, I'm instantly reminded of the movie and it manages to bring up the same emotions as the movies... especially the already mentioned sequence from the funeral to the end credits - and that's what a score should do IMO.
I far prefer Horner's score of TWOK (and TSFS). When I listen to the music, I'm instantly reminded of the movie and it manages to bring up the same emotions as the movies... especially the already mentioned sequence from the funeral to the end credits - and that's what a score should do IMO.
That's a good one!
I also recommend his scores for Legend, Explorers, Omen I - III, King Soloman's Mines, and Supergirl among others...
I have Tangerine Deam's soundtrack for Legend. I have the Goldsmith verson copied from a friend. I found it a little to campy but it has been a while since I listened to it.
Campy? To me, there's only one Legend score...and the composers initials are J.G...
That score was the precursor to Howard Shore's Lord of the Rings scores.Definitely one of the best fantasy scores ever!
Campy? To me, there's only one Legend score...and the composers initials are J.G...
Definitely one of the best fantasy scores ever!
I didn't like the vocalizations that were in it. They are what felt campy to me.
Sorry.
TMP for Ilia's Theme and the Closing Credits music. Easily, and if for nothing else.
ST-One
Vice Admiral
The two soundtracks have to fulfill very different tasks in their respective films: Goldsmith's had to carry many of the scenes in TMP while Horner's only had to enrich them.
They are both very different in style and tone, but I like them both.
In the end, Goldsmith's score is better though
They are both very different in style and tone, but I like them both.
In the end, Goldsmith's score is better though
trevanian
Rear Admiral
EXTREME PREJUDICE and TWILIGHT'S LAST GLEAMING are probably my favorite Goldsmith scores outside of WIND & THE LION and PATTON and TMP. No, I take that back, because I like most of his westerns, HOUR OF THE GUN, RIO CONCHOS, THE LAST HARD MEN, BREAKHEART PASS.
I waited so damn long on TWILIGHT'S ... then again, that is one of my alltime favorite movies, so there's an 'extreme' prejudice there. I'll agree that RUNAWAY and NEMESIS are nothing special, that's for sure, and I didn't even remember he did CONGO. I thought AIR FORCE ONE was good considering he had no time to do it ... I think if you look at the pics he had Arthur Morton with him on, those are usually the better bets.
His synthesizer phase in the 70s, with part of LOGAN'S RUN and REINCARNATION OF PETER PROUD, doesn't do wonders for me. And it may sound odd, but I don't like the OMEN scores till the third movie. It sounds WAY too much like John Barry's LION IN WINTER to me, and not anywhere near as good. Figures JG got the oscar for the one thing that I didn't figure merited it (though he should have gotten about 10!)
TWOK.
Wind and The Lion and Logan's Run are two of my favorites -- as is Patton.
Logan's Run, John Williams' score from Jaws and Barry Gray's score to Space: 1999 are to blame for making me a film score fan. Those were the first scores I ever had -- and I had them on 8-Track back in the day...
I think his score for Brendan Frasier's The Mummy was probably his greatest achievement of the 90s. Better than First Contact, IMHO...
The film Twilight's Last Gleaming is a good flick...I just didn't care for the musical score. I can't speak to the westerns as I don't have those scores...not really a western fan.
Caboblanco is a film whose score I liked but I don't think it ever got a disc release. Ditto for Escape From The Planet of The Apes...
The Blue Max is another good one. ALIEN is great...love Planet of the Apes as it's such a breakthrough score from the 60's. Capricorn One is an excellent score. So is The Great Train Robbery.
You really like Extreme Prejudice? Wow...just couldn't get into that one. But, even bad (IMO) Goldsmith is better than most composer's work...kind of the way even bad Star Trek is better than a lot of other stuff.
The Omen scores are not accessible as "listens" aside from III, but I still admire them for sheer terror. LOL!!! You can't listen to those without getting creeped out.
Parts of ALIEN have the same effect...not an easy listen as "music".
I agree, he DEFINITELY deserved far more Oscars than he received. Maybe a Lifetime Achievement Award is in order? He certainly should get some kind of special recognition from the Academy even if it is post-mortem.
As much as Horner and other composers have produced some great work -- in my opinion, only John Williams can measure up to Jerry Goldsmith. And, like Goldsmith, Williams' more recent work is NOT impressive...
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