Clearly, not all of them.
Which do you prefer?
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Clearly, not all of them.
number6
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Do you tell her, "Put that phaser down, that's Daddy's toy!??"
Awww... I'm sorry.
My 4 year old daughter thinks TOS and TAS are the coolest things ever. Every night, she looks at me with glowing eyes and asks, "Daddy? Can we play Star Trek?!"
Do you tell her, "Put that phaser down, that's Daddy's toy!??"
Awww... I'm sorry.
My 4 year old daughter thinks TOS and TAS are the coolest things ever. Every night, she looks at me with glowing eyes and asks, "Daddy? Can we play Star Trek?!"
I wish I could. Ever since we mounted her car seat face forward in the middle of the back seat, she's declared herself Captain.
Good Will Riker
Admiral
TOS, which is why I have yet to watch as single Remastered episode to date.
From the few clips I have seen, the updated special-effects are distracting and clearly not a product of the 1960's.
Yes, and I am one of those viewers who can actually stand watching 60's F/X on a modern day HDTV.
From the few clips I have seen, the updated special-effects are distracting and clearly not a product of the 1960's.
Yes, and I am one of those viewers who can actually stand watching 60's F/X on a modern day HDTV.
I just watched the original-footage "Obsession" on CBS's web-site, followed by TrekMovie's blog report (with FX excerpts) of the remastered "Obsession", and it drove home an important point.
Paramount/CBS-D has to understand that when you engage in an undertaking like this, not only are you trying to bring something new to a classic, but you are also taking risks in the process. "Obsession" is a wonderful example. The images of the Starship Enterprise orbiting the planets, especailly Tycho IV, are truly impressive.
But even if the orbital scenes are perfection, the other "deep space" scenes become the risk. Every shot that is replaced must be a winner in order to achieve success. The shots of the Enterprise firing her weapons are okay, but borderline ho-hum. The shot of the Cloud Creature dodging the phaser shot was jarring to me. Critics of the TOS-R seem to attack any time that a shot is significantly different than the one it replaces (like in "The Enterprise Incident", in which one of the Romulan ships is an old Warbird), and I'd have to say the "donut cloud" in the remastered "Obsession" would be an example. It doesn't flow from Spock's "time sync" remark. It also looked silly.
I also don't like the re-used "Enterprise at high warp" and "Enterprise turning" shots. It's subjective, of course, but the shots don't capture the mood of their respective scenes. I was expecting a much more sophisticated cinema-quality shot of the ship at high warp. The shot that Paramount/CBS-D chose looks too ordinary. And I would have preferred a shot much more like the "banking Enterprise" used in the original Tycho course diversion.
But the one unforgivable omission in TOS-R is the elimination of one of the best, most realisitic "beauty" angles of the "Enterprise sails into the sunset" to grace TOS. I cannot understand why they did away with that one, although the crater-shot is impressive, just this once.
Paramount/CBS-D has to understand that when you engage in an undertaking like this, not only are you trying to bring something new to a classic, but you are also taking risks in the process. "Obsession" is a wonderful example. The images of the Starship Enterprise orbiting the planets, especailly Tycho IV, are truly impressive.
But even if the orbital scenes are perfection, the other "deep space" scenes become the risk. Every shot that is replaced must be a winner in order to achieve success. The shots of the Enterprise firing her weapons are okay, but borderline ho-hum. The shot of the Cloud Creature dodging the phaser shot was jarring to me. Critics of the TOS-R seem to attack any time that a shot is significantly different than the one it replaces (like in "The Enterprise Incident", in which one of the Romulan ships is an old Warbird), and I'd have to say the "donut cloud" in the remastered "Obsession" would be an example. It doesn't flow from Spock's "time sync" remark. It also looked silly.
I also don't like the re-used "Enterprise at high warp" and "Enterprise turning" shots. It's subjective, of course, but the shots don't capture the mood of their respective scenes. I was expecting a much more sophisticated cinema-quality shot of the ship at high warp. The shot that Paramount/CBS-D chose looks too ordinary. And I would have preferred a shot much more like the "banking Enterprise" used in the original Tycho course diversion.
But the one unforgivable omission in TOS-R is the elimination of one of the best, most realisitic "beauty" angles of the "Enterprise sails into the sunset" to grace TOS. I cannot understand why they did away with that one, although the crater-shot is impressive, just this once.
Your daughter OBVIOUSLY has better taste than my cynical teen-aged granddaughter!
Awww... I'm sorry.
My 4 year old daughter thinks TOS and TAS are the coolest things ever. Every night, she looks at me with glowing eyes and asks, "Daddy? Can we play Star Trek?!"
Frankly, the original flyby-into-the-barrier shot in "Where No Man Has Gone Before", right after Kelso says, "Whatever it is, contact in twelve seconds," is a lot more effective than the remastered version.
I prefer TOS. Although TOS-R has occasional interesting elements I find certain things changed for change's sake that didn't need to be changed. I also find it jarring to see the cgi f/z intercut with the live-action footage as if it's two different productions spliced together, which of course it is.
I also find many of the new sequences don't match aesthetically with the remaining footage.
I also find many of the new sequences don't match aesthetically with the remaining footage.
I definitely prefer TOS-R.
I also find myself hoping that a widescreen version will one day be made. The new effects have already been rendered that way, and the live action footage would not *necessarily* have to be cropped (from what I understand, it was intentionally shot 'loose' anyway - meaning, there may be more screen area available than what we see in the 4:3 frame). Linky
I also find myself hoping that a widescreen version will one day be made. The new effects have already been rendered that way, and the live action footage would not *necessarily* have to be cropped (from what I understand, it was intentionally shot 'loose' anyway - meaning, there may be more screen area available than what we see in the 4:3 frame). Linky
I prefer TOS-R if only for the fact it looks SOOO Freakin' good on my HDTV (using the up-converter DVD player it just looks amazing)...I bought the disks...and am happy with the results..And the stories were not changed...A Warbird in "Enterprise Incident" didn't ruin my enjoyment in any way.... in fact it helped tie it together better than the toss-in line used in the episode...
I agree. Paramount/CBS-D took a big gamble and lost when they made major changes in WNMHGB.
I've shown TOS-R to the uninitiated, and then shown episodes of the original (when I didn't have the TOS-R copy) and I have to say, the difference to new fans is jarring. No one will prefer the originals these days. There's nothing wrong with that. TOS-R is improving the technical elments for the way we view things today, its appropriate, tasteful and doesn't change the story. 100% of the effects on TOS-R are better, its only the degree to which they are better that's debateable.
RAMA
RAMA
I disagree, WHMHGB is a great example of of TOS-R in action. I have DVD copies of both now, but I won't be watching the older one anytime soon.
RAMA
I liked the dynamic new Galactic Barrier shots in this episode. Miles beyond the limited, narrowly-defined optics(as great as they were for their time)of the original 1965 pilot.
Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
Like both, at least the planets all look different in the remastered version
I like the Delta Vega in the Remastered edition a lot better. Looks like a big, textured Jawbreaker with vanilla or sugary swirls on it.
TOS edges out the remastered versions, primarily because the edits to the live action sequences often hurt rather than helped the episodes, all for the purpose of shoehorning more commericials into an hour. The only advantage I saw in TOS remastered was the opportunity to see more Starfleet ships, such as the Antares, which I thought was a respectable effort to incorporate a design aesthetic the original series might have done.
I will agree that some of the fades and transitions that connect original 1960s footage with the new f/x are kind of clumsy and stand out too much. One of the downsides of the Remastered editing.
My main gripe with that particular shot, of the Enterprise flying off into the barrier, is more from a dramatic standpoint. It sort of feels like the viewer is sitting back, saying, "Nice knowin' ya," as the Enterprise sails off to certain doom, whereas the new version, where the ship starts at a distance and pretty much stays at a distance, you lose that intimacy, and thus the dramatic impact.
You realize you're watching the syndicated cuts, which can't be blamed on the remastering?
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