Sounds about right to me Smith. I think Voyager was hampered by bad writing and a desire to emulate its predecessors in various ways.
Of course to make us feel better about Voyager we can always watch Enterprise.
Which captain has the most... enthusiastic fan base??
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Sounds about right to me Smith. I think Voyager was hampered by bad writing and a desire to emulate its predecessors in various ways.
Of course to make us feel better about Voyager we can always watch Enterprise.
Yeah. I guess they were afraid doing something different would drive too many fans away and they said, "You can't do that. Make it more like TNG."
ENT is another showed that failed somewhat at its premise for the similar reason of "If we do something different it'll scare all the old TNG fans away. Make it more like TNG!"
As far as captains go, Archer wasn't really that bad its just that anything he could do one of the other captains could do it about 10 times better.
Sure, but it doesn't really matter why Voyager sucked. Ultimately, all that matters is that it did.
Yeah, sounds about right. I think that having DS9 and VOY on at the same time was a bad idea for a few reasons, but one good thing it did is that it kept the hyenas ruining Voyager away from DS9.
I liked Voyager,but yeah, it could have been better. If it had been written more like BSG than TNG, and Janeway portrayed more along the lines of Admiral Cain, it would have been a lot more realistic and interesting. Each season should have had an arc.
Agreed. DS9 is probably my favorite Trek at this time. I go back and forth between DS9 and TNG.
Actually I liked the 'emulate TNG' episodes. But they introduced serials and weird war plots to be like DS9. And thats a double fail in my book.
Biggest Enterprise problem: They tried to do everything and meet every race from every other series. Borg, Ferengi, etc. They should have been content with Andorians and maybe a few others.
Voyager wasn't written much like TNG most of the time. It had too many serial plots and conflicts to be like TNG. TNG was always about science/exploration first and foremost. So when it comes to the plots Voyager has more in common with DS9.
This is Battlestar Galactica:
You hipsters just had to steal an awesome series and make it trendy and edgy. *hiss*
^ I like both BSGs. Didn't Ron Moore do nuBSG as dark and edgy because he wanted to do that with DS9, and later Voyager, but wasn't allowed?
I disagree. Voyager may have some arcage, but it more emulated TNG in my view.
BTW, I'm no hipster and for your info, I remember THAT BSG too, son, but its unwatchable now!
BTW, I'm no hipster and for your info, I remember THAT BSG too, son, but its unwatchable now!
yeah, more or less....
I don't like the new thing because nowadays most people don't even know its not original. You try to talk about pimpin Dirk Benedict with a cigar and some babes and they try to tell you Starbuck is a girl. ANd then you point out it has 'BUCK' in the damn name...
Personally I think if you want to do your own thing you should just do your own thing and not bootstrap. Because now the new BSG has little to nothing in common and takes all the name recognition.
And as to you Mr. Chupacabra, unnwatchable? Have you no soul?
Personally I think if you want to do your own thing you should just do your own thing and not bootstrap. Because now the new BSG has little to nothing in common and takes all the name recognition.
And as to you Mr. Chupacabra, unnwatchable? Have you no soul?
That's just the way Hollywood and television work nowadays. They have pretty much run out of original ideas so the remake old movies and TV shows. That's why we have nuBSG and nuTrek. But I like both the old and the new.
Thats what bothers me though. If you're going to make something new, then make something new.
You know, if Marty McFly went to 2011 in that time machine he'd think the damn thing was broken and took him into an alternate reality.
You know, if Marty McFly went to 2011 in that time machine he'd think the damn thing was broken and took him into an alternate reality.
The name's Starbuck, and I like to F---
It is unwatchable, except for the pilot, and most of the Lloyd Bridges Commander Cain, and the Count Isblis episodes! Trust me, I've tried watching them
There's a great quote on this subject I've been wanting to use, and I feel this is a good place for it:
"I am of the opinion that the word hipster means absolutely nothing anymore. People seem to use it to refer to people younger than 40 who wear clothes. And I’m sure even if they didn’t, that would be “so counterculture” and end up being hipster too." - Coelasquid, of Manly Guys Doing Manly Things
I mean, I haven't seen either BSG and don't have any particular inclination to, but really. Liking the new one doesn't make someone a "hipster" any more than liking ANY sci-fi drama makes you that.
Damn!I AM a hipster!
There are certain trends of broadcasting that deliberately bill their product/show/whatever as trendy, chic, or alternative. Sci Fi network, excuse me 'sy fy' (Because spelling is sooo mainstream) is the worst offender.
As to what hipsters are nowadays, I refer you to teh internetz:
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hipster-kitty
It is unwatchable, except for the pilot, and most of the Lloyd Bridges Commander Cain, and the Count Isblis episodes! Trust me, I've tried watching them
And I've watched through it all. Its campy and fun.
In theory I might have been with a remake, except this wasn't a remake. Its like if you took TOS and suddenly Captain Kirk was a chick and the Federation wasn't the Federation, and everything was dark and edgy while convoluted drama played out on the screen.
I actually didn't get into BSG until I netflixed it and watched seasons1-3 in a marathon, and loved, it. But, I wasn't trying to get into a debate about BSG. The reason I brought it up is that I think if Voyager had done some of the things like what BSG did (story arc, been a little more realistic, etc) Voyager, and Janeway may have been more interesting.
In a way, I guess you could say that is how Archer succeeds as a character, where Janeway falls short, because his Archer and Enterprise do some of those things.
In a way, I guess you could say that is how Archer succeeds as a character, where Janeway falls short, because his Archer and Enterprise do some of those things.
I agree with you that realism would have helped. But they already had a number of serials in there. I don't see how there is a lack of story arc, in fact I think the arcs tended to be just dumb.
Well, i didn't mean to say there were no story arcs in Voyager, and yeah some of the ones they had could have been better. What I meant to say is that I wish they had some arcs that better developed their characters and more realistically adapting to the Delta quadrant, aside from 7 becoming more human, harry kim staying an ensign, and tom\B'ellana getting hooked up. I also wish they had an arc that tied the series beginning to end more than just trying to get to earth.
I am not implying i hated voyager, I liked it. Just saying I see things they could ahve done to make it better.
I am not implying i hated voyager, I liked it. Just saying I see things they could ahve done to make it better.
Yeah, I agree with you 100% on that.
But it did have some pretty good gems in there, I loved that episode 'Bride of Chaotica' with the holodeck. A good stand-alone episode is always my favorite.
But it did have some pretty good gems in there, I loved that episode 'Bride of Chaotica' with the holodeck. A good stand-alone episode is always my favorite.
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