Which 23rd Century is canon?

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  1. Vger23

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    And the beautiful thing is that they don’t have to.
     
  2. FederationHistorian

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    But they could if they wanted to.
     
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    And they probably never will. It's just not that important.
     
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    Indeed. Leaves the audience to fill in the gaps rather than explaining everything to the last detail, leaving no mystery undissected.
     
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    And us being ultrafans will take it to heart, there'll be Memory Alpha articles about it and just like "We do not discuss it with outsiders" there will be a 2 part story in a decade explaining in detail that which never needed to be explained.

    I can't wait.
     
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    When we get to 4th Generation Star Trek (whatever shows come after Kurtzman's reign), I expect there to be yet another version of the 23rd Century. The same for the films, if/when they're re-rebooted. It's more likely than not because creators like to put their own stamp on things.

    "But Mike Okuda and company didn't do that to TOS stuff with TNG, DS9, and ENT!" Because the 23rd Century wasn't the main setting of those shows. They already had those shows to put their stamp on. So they felt content to leave anything related to TOS as was. With DSC, SNW, the Kelvin Films, and even the TOS Films, the 23rd Century was the main setting and whoever the creators were put their own stamp on it every time.

    The TOS Films had it easier only because they took place after TOS itself. Then the Kelvin Films also had more leeway due to being an Alternate Timeline. DSC and SNW were screwed. Although DSC helped SNW a little bit. DSC went sooo far opposite of what people would normally expect to see, they were more welcoming of SNW's look as a compromise than they would've been otherwise.
     
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    And it's not like current Trek is consistent even with its own SELF. Look at how different the Enterprise bridge looked in DSC vs. SNW. What are we supposed to do about THAT?

    Nothing, of course.

    I do admit I like the DSC Enterprise bridge better, but I'm sure there's a reason they didn't use it on SNW.

    Right?
     
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    The Constitution class fleet was infected with a subatomic bacteria made from Augment DNA that compromised their structural integrity, especially along the nacelle pylons and impulse engines. The ships had to be refitted, which required the replacement of the slanted pylons with straighter ones and a more compact impulse engine assembly. It wouldn't be until the 2270s that developments in ship construction allowed for the refitting of the ships back to a form closer to how they originally looked, around the same time Klingon forehand reconstruction was perfected and became popular.
     
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    It's all canon. It's a future of nearly infinite resources in which there's plenty of time for the USS Enterprise to receive a refit between SNW and TOS just like it got a refit between TOS and TMP.

    Honestly, worrying about this makes about as much sense as worrying about why the world of Gotham City looked so much different in The New Batman/Superman Adventures than it had in Batman: The Animated Series even though they're all set in the same timeline. Or worrying about which Saavik is the canonical one. Or why James Bond went from Sean Connery to George Lazenby and then back to Sean Connery. There's a point where you just gotta suspend some disbelief, particularly for a franchise that's coming up on its sixtieth anniversary.
     
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    SNW is filmed in a different studio than Disco. They had to tear apart the bridge in Disco's studio and rebuild it in the new one, at which time they took the opportunity to make modifications, since they were working on it anyway.
     
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    Man, that sucks. All the work they went through to build the DSC bridge (which was clearly built to last) and then they had to take it all apart again? :(

    Does sorta beg the question, though...which version is canon? ;)
     
  14. Sci

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    ^^ In-universe, we know the Enterprise underwent repairs after the battle at the end of "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part II," so the idea that they would install a new bridge module is plausible.
     
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    Both, since they both appeared on screen. You could argue that starship bridges are switchable modules.
     
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    I suppose we'll find out one way or the other, when/if SNW does a flashback...to, say, the days of Captain April...
     
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    I'm betting we'll see a Captain April flashback episode for sure, sometime before the series ends.
     
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    And will he be a cartoon?

    :shrug:

    Otherwise I’m calling CANON VIOLATION!!
     
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    Incorrect--TOS was not altered because from the jump with the TOS movies and into TNG, the point was to establish a visual continuity / lineage with TOS. There was no need or attempt to re-write / redesign it, as it was near-universally accepted (and loved) as the beginning of it all, that all other ST had to build on. "Putting a stamp" on something does not mean trying to discard or ignore the original which hard-established all the ST world would be. Again, it builds on it.
     
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  20. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Since April has already appeared on SNW - and definitely not the one we saw on TAS - I'd say that ship has sailed.

    So much for canonizing TAS, eh? One can explain a lot of differences, but try to handle THAT one.
     
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