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Where is Discovery's CMO?

Is the latter part of the medical staff, though? Or just a researcher?
He wore a white uniform with a cross on his arrowhead. How much more clearly do we need to make it that he's medical staff?
That's just it, though - Rhys isn't security, but tactical. As with TOS, those are separate branches. And probably always were, except two spinoff shows had a main character serve as a casualty replacement adopting double duty, and a third involved a ship sailing out with a thrown-together crew.
But we have seen both Tyler and Landry operating the tactical station. If the chiefs of security do time at tactical, it isn't too much of a stretch to guess the other guy seen at tactical is also security.
Except there's not. What happened to them?
That is the question, isn't it?
 
Evidently. :)

If station X needs temps from time to time, it doesn't really indicate that X would have an abundance of personnel available for other duties. Rather the opposite, don't you think?

Timo Saloniemi
 
You're less effective as a doctor when you can't make objective decisions. You may care more emotionally, but that doesn't translate to better medical decisions.

Bullshit. If "objective" means "I'll care less", then it's automatically an inferior medical decision. I dare you to provide a counterexample.

Plus, there's a massive additional issue with confidentiality and conflict of interest, which is spelled out in the show - Stamets' motivation for keeping the side effects quiet is not putting Hugh in an impossible situation.

And how would that work differently for Stamets if the doctor were an uncaring stranger? Why, he'd destroy Stamets' career in a heartbeat. So clearly an inferior choice from the patient's point of view, and from that point of view, the doctor can go hang himself if he can't deliver the best possible outcome.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Bullshit. If "objective" means "I'll care less", then it's automatically an inferior medical decision. I dare you to provide a counterexample.
the doctor can go hang himself if he can't deliver the best possible outcome.
Not quite sure why you're being so confrontational about this. I don't agree, but don't particularly feel like debating with you if this is your attitude.
 
First, we know Dr. Culber isn't the CMO on the ship, as he has referenced the CMO as being a different person. He excused himself from engineering once saying he had to assist the CMO with a tonsillectomy on and Andorian. And yet, for the majority of situations requiring medical personnel, Culber is the one who shows up. The one exception was when the whale was aboard. At the time I toyed with the idea that medical officer was the CMO, as he had Lt Commander's rank on his arrowhead, but since Culber is himself a Lt. Commander, that really doesn't mean anything.

At this point, we have seen medical situations involving a mysterious space creature necessary to operate the spore drive, and later the officer who became necessary to operate the spore drive, and a few situations where it was deemed necessary to get Captain Lorca down to sickbay to be informed. These are situations where the CMO should be involved, especially when Lorca becomes involved, if it's important enough to get the ship's captain involved, it's important enough to get the CMO involved. Yet, Culber is the only one who ever takes point in any matter. Hell, last week Stamets talked as though Culber was the only doctor on the ship, which is preposterous. Even if this elusive CMO is refusing to do his/her job, there is the guy who looked after the space whale, though I'll concede he could he a specialist in alien lifeforms.

Is there a reason the writers just didn't make Culber the CMO? I know they're trying to get away from the Trek trope of it only being the senior officers who do anything or get to be the story focus, and from that point of view, I guess it is more realistic that we're not seeing the department heads doing everything, as in the real world such people are the ones who do the least amount of work in their department, not every damn thing. But at this point, Culber pretty much has filled the role of the CMOs on the other Trek shows in every aspect except for the fact that he has referenced someone else as being the CMO.

So where is Discovery's CMO and why don't they seem to do anything except removing an Andorian's tonsils?
Captain Lorca isn't exactly known for his winning personality.

Maybe the CMO hates him and avoids him as much as possible. It is pretty obvious that Dr. Culber is such a friendly person that he is able to get along with people who are even hard to work with. So they might just have a gentleman's agreement that Culber is the member of the medical team that deals with the Captain most of the time.

If Lorca likewise dislikes the CMO, then it would be entirely possible that he gives tacit approval to this arrangement.
 
McCoy was his father's doctor and even carried out a very sensitive end-of-life decision on his behalf. This is nothing new for Trek.

Kor
 
An issue I have with the staff is how they have managed Stamets. The Tardigrade was released because every jump was causing deterioration. At one stage they thought the Tardigrade was virtually indestructable but it wasn't. So Stamets took it upon himself to integrate Tardigrade DNA etc. into his own being. Fine. However apart from checking his interface upgrades Stamets has been able to hide his exact medical condition. The one person who knew it was more than him being just a little spaced out, Tilly, is a tool. I mean there are secrets related to unimportant matters and then there are life threatening, new technology secrets. The shroom drive is what Discovery has become all about. She did blurt it out but man, the monitoring of Stamets by scientists no less, has beem ridiculous. Ripper had better observation. Culbert actually looked surprised with Tilly's reveal. I don't know if Stamets just simply didn't want to tell Culbert because of their relationship but if Culbert is not the CMO, which I don't believe he is, then that entity needs a kick in the pants.
 
The rotating Navigators earlier in the series sort of back this idea up. But otherwise, these are not critical leadership roles on the starship.
This is backed up by the fact that those two positions historically have often been filled by younger people/ensigns.
 
McCoy was his father's doctor and even carried out a very sensitive end-of-life decision on his behalf. This is nothing new for Trek.

Kor

Was he his father's doctor, or did he just pull a "Clint Eastwood" there? Was he even a doctor at the time, and did the situation spur him into medical school (and also space psychiatry)?

It's possible that the Star Trek V scene was just his internal feelings on the death, and in reality he just signed off on another doctor performing euthanasia on his actually-comatose father (who would've been cured if he only waited a few years).
 
Not quite sure why you're being so confrontational about this. I don't agree, but don't particularly feel like debating with you if this is your attitude.

Ah, true - I think I owe you not just an apology but also an explanation.

1) Well, it is my attitude - I say "bullshit" a lot, coming from a culture where the absolutely mildest cussword is "cunt", used liberally as punctuation by four-year-olds and CEOs. In other, more civilized words, it's me expressing the sentiment that a held truth has no value on closer examination, except perhaps historical value.

2) It is also a somewhat hot topic in the real world today, but this isn't actually all that significant as such.

3) Deep down, it's a case of people of authority hiding behind rules that make no sense. "It's illegal" is merely a matter of rewriting the law if needed. And "one must stay detached" must be at first contrasted with "I must get involved" for comparison of merits, rather than let to hold on its own - especially in a field of study and practice this heavily weighed down by senseless tradition and ignorance.

4) Finally, and perhaps most significantly, this is a rather typical Trek thing: a weird phenomenon of the future born out not of writer intent but the sum total of lacunae left by writers. It's what makes Star Trek science fiction: the accidental "what if?" that deserves at least the examination of the question if not quite finding the answer. It's the real reason I watch Star Trek.

Also, I do apologize. So sorry about the bad language and the confrontational attitude.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Ah, true - I think I owe you not just an apology but also an explanation.

1) Well, it is my attitude - I say "bullshit" a lot, coming from a culture where the absolutely mildest cussword is "cunt", used liberally as punctuation by four-year-olds and CEOs. In other, more civilized words, it's me expressing the sentiment that a held truth has no value on closer examination, except perhaps historical value.

2) It is also a somewhat hot topic in the real world today, but this isn't actually all that significant as such.

3) Deep down, it's a case of people of authority hiding behind rules that make no sense. "It's illegal" is merely a matter of rewriting the law if needed. And "one must stay detached" must be at first contrasted with "I must get involved" for comparison of merits, rather than let to hold on its own - especially in a field of study and practice this heavily weighed down by senseless tradition and ignorance.

4) Finally, and perhaps most significantly, this is a rather typical Trek thing: a weird phenomenon of the future born out not of writer intent but the sum total of lacunae left by writers. It's what makes Star Trek science fiction: the accidental "what if?" that deserves at least the examination of the question if not quite finding the answer. It's the real reason I watch Star Trek.

Also, I do apologize. So sorry about the bad language and the confrontational attitude.

Timo Saloniemi
Apology accepted, and thank you for this explanation. I think I see more where you are coming from having read it.
I think the difference in opinion here is that while you see it as a rule for having a rule's sake, I see it as a genuine ethical issue which provides a sound basis for having such a rule.

I think the most succinct way that I can sum it up is this: being a doctor, or any professional with a responsibility to act in someone's best interests such as a lawyer or teacher, involves making some difficult decisions and sometimes the patient/client won't like what you decide to do, or won't want to hear what you have to say. If you have a close personal relationship with the patient, there is a danger that you will choose to preserve that relationship in preference to being honest about the patient's best medical interest, creating a conflict of interest. There is also a risk of bias and blindness to truth born of desire for a different outcome because you are too emotionally invested in that outcome yourself.

Take a patient who is, for example, very unwell with cancer. An impartial doctor may decide that it is in the patient's best interests to stop aggressive treatment as the negative effects outweigh the benefits, and recommend that they switch to a palliative care pathway to make the remainder of their life as comfortable as possible. Would a doctor who is the patient's partner make the same choice? They may do. But their own emotional desire to avoid loss, the dynamics of the relationship, and the wider relationships they inevitably have the with patient's other loved ones come into play in a way which risks the patient's right to an impartial medical opinion which is based on the difficult but honest assessment of the facts. We can also wonder whether the cancer was caught later than it otherwise would have been because of a reluctance on the patient's part to worry their partner, or on the doctor's part to diagnose their loved one with a potentially terminal disease. The therapeutic relationship between medical professional and patient has to be one that is honest and open to unwanted and unpleasant truths. Adding personal relationships between them into that mix at the very best muddies the water.

In Discovery, we have a character who has a clear medical issue who does not want to go to his doctor because the doctor is his partner, and he is worried about the impossible position it would put his partner in. That cannot be in the patient's best interest. He clearly needs medical help, and is worried about obtaining it because of the effect it will have on his relationship with the doctor who would deliver it. I also question the flipside of this - we have a doctor who spends every night, as far as we know, with his patient he knows very well, and has not noticed any of the effects that Tilly and indeed we as viewers can see are relatively self evident?
 
I gather the deep issue here is that "what is good for the patient" is not defined by what is good for the patient when defined "objectively". Rather, it's defined by what is good for the society and its current views on whether people should be allowed to die or not, whether a little bit of suffering is good or bad, whether the patient should be restored to working health at sensible cost or allowed a healing process that has different aims and schedules, etc. etc.

Of course, this is not just a matter of "I am in charge of my heath" vs. "the society knows better" or "the society owns you". There's that obvious vs. built into "I" already: what I feel now may not be all that significant compared to what I will be feeling in the future as a consequence of today's decisions. But this is separate from the issue where the needs of the society and the patient are in open conflict - and I can't see the personal involvement issue being all that relevant in this aspect of "the patient should not be let to decide". The doctor can advise the patient on the best course of action in the long term, or otherwise point out non-obvious issues, regardless of the level of personal involvement.

The case at hand I still feel is rather irrelevant to the matter. It is not a medical issue at all, but a case of a criminal trying to protect a close one from getting involved. Were the doctor a complete stranger, I still doubt Stamets would wish to drag him, her or it down to the world of crime with him. Or if he were the type, he'd do the same to his partner in a heartbeat, and then fight the "make it not be illegal" battle with reinforcements.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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