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Where does the Star Trek go from here?
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The creative approach is simple and straightforward: 23rd C, Starfleet, starship, going boldly, but don't forget that TOS depicted Starfleet as doing a lot more than exploring - they patrolled and defended the Federation, and took part in Fed diplomacy. Return to the story mix of TOS, add some serialization (but retain some standalone episodes).
The movie actors won't be doing TV so the characters will have to be new, but have the same qualities that made the TOS characters so beloved. Probably some of the movie actors can be brought in for special guest shots.
To the extent we can tell what universe it's taking place in, it will be the JJ universe, if only because the aesthetics need to follow the Trek XI aesthetics. As for Vulcan, that colony the survivors are building can be called Vulcan, and look just like Vasquez Rocks, for all any of that matters. Just gloss right over it and let the fans argue about it online.
Where the show will be aired is the trickier part. It has to be CBS, CW or Showtime. A genre show will never survive on CBS - wrong demo, ratings expectations are too high; on CW the risk is too great it will be mangled to appeal to the Gossip Girl demo; Showtime is tricky because pay cable stations justify charging subscriptions on the assumption that viewers are getting shows they'd never get on broadcast, and Star Trek is obviously associated with broadcast in viewers' minds.
But Showtime is the least bad option, and they don't currently have any sci fi series, so it might make sense for them to add one, especially since their chief competitor HBO has several sci fi series in development. And before anyone asks, yes, you can show more sex and violence on Showtime, but it's not like it's mandatory and the degree of sex and violence should be dictated by what's good for Star Trek. My hunch is that it wouldn't be all that much more than you'd see on a channel that needs to worry about the FCC.
The movie actors won't be doing TV so the characters will have to be new, but have the same qualities that made the TOS characters so beloved. Probably some of the movie actors can be brought in for special guest shots.
To the extent we can tell what universe it's taking place in, it will be the JJ universe, if only because the aesthetics need to follow the Trek XI aesthetics. As for Vulcan, that colony the survivors are building can be called Vulcan, and look just like Vasquez Rocks, for all any of that matters. Just gloss right over it and let the fans argue about it online.
Where the show will be aired is the trickier part. It has to be CBS, CW or Showtime. A genre show will never survive on CBS - wrong demo, ratings expectations are too high; on CW the risk is too great it will be mangled to appeal to the Gossip Girl demo; Showtime is tricky because pay cable stations justify charging subscriptions on the assumption that viewers are getting shows they'd never get on broadcast, and Star Trek is obviously associated with broadcast in viewers' minds.
But Showtime is the least bad option, and they don't currently have any sci fi series, so it might make sense for them to add one, especially since their chief competitor HBO has several sci fi series in development. And before anyone asks, yes, you can show more sex and violence on Showtime, but it's not like it's mandatory and the degree of sex and violence should be dictated by what's good for Star Trek. My hunch is that it wouldn't be all that much more than you'd see on a channel that needs to worry about the FCC.
I know this isn't much of a post, but I have to agree with firecrackerrrrrrrrrrrrrr; I consider myself (and am considered by the majority, from what I gather -- it's not like I go around asking routinely, but still) fairly attractive and I've been a Trekkie since, ah, two weeks old. (TNG started up around then and my grandmother, who raised me, watched it.)
Stereotypes usually do stem from something, and I can understand how this one began, but a lot of us BBSers really don't fall into the category of completely socially inept, pimple-faced awkward.
Not that there's anything wrong with those people, I'm just sayin'.
And organized Star Trek nights? Man, I so wish I lived by you. None of my friends do that. Maybe I should start one.
Stereotypes usually do stem from something, and I can understand how this one began, but a lot of us BBSers really don't fall into the category of completely socially inept, pimple-faced awkward.
Not that there's anything wrong with those people, I'm just sayin'.
And organized Star Trek nights? Man, I so wish I lived by you. None of my friends do that. Maybe I should start one.
Believe me, I needed no convincing that there are many attractive Trekkers... but I stand by my nomination, which was based on your Trek nights, course of study and balanced opinion of XI as well as looks.
START ONE! Honestly, I posted freakin' ads on campus and I thought NO ONE would show up. People I NEVER expected to show up or know anything about ST came and oh they sure came out of the closet
It's fantastic!!Believe me, I needed no convincing that there are many attractive Trekkers... but I stand by my nomination, which was based on your Trek nights, course of study and balanced opinion of XI as well as looks.
Hehe well thank you then
I think I will, once I have some free time to get things going. Maybe once I'm done with my DS9 reviews, since they take up some time. (They're great fun, of course.)
It's been a real pleasure this past few months, meeting people here on the BBS who share my passion for the franchise, but it would be wonderful to find a few more IRLers, as they say, who I can get acquainted with and get some more direct things going.
It's been a real pleasure this past few months, meeting people here on the BBS who share my passion for the franchise, but it would be wonderful to find a few more IRLers, as they say, who I can get acquainted with and get some more direct things going.
I know! I love discussing episodes while they're on and/or after they end. We pick everything apart. Only one person in the bunch has seen the new Enterprise though so I hope I can convince him to bring his box set over to my place and we can start watching that. Though he's not too fond of the series so he seems hesitant. Most of us are hardcore TNG/DS9/VOY fans. I like TOS just as much as those three but some people seem bored with TOS which is blasphemous. So while it's fun, it's kind of odd sometimes when someone is entirely unfamiliar with an entire show in the franchise. Although my friend Maya has never seen Voyager until she watched it recently with us. She's watched a few episodes back when it originally aired and she didn't like it very much but upon rewatching it, she fell in love (and she requested that we all get her a season for Xmas
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That sounds about right. I have friends who swear by the franchise but have never seen Deep Space Nine, which for me is blasphemous. I love DS9, and I also greatly enjoy TNG, much of Voyager, what I remember of TOS (I really need to get back into it) and about half of Enterprise. :P
Sounds like you lot are about two steps away from an exclusive Beautiful People's Star Trek Fan Club
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As for the future of Trek, I'd guess a TV series when the film trilogy is done, recycling the movie sets (just as TNG did with the old TMP ones) and props. I'd rather a series with Kirk, Spock and co. (recast, film actors sadly won't want to do TV roles) on the Enterprise over some new ship and crew.
I'd love to see an epic story based loosely on the duplicate Earths of TOS fame and how they came to be. It was touched upon in one of the Shatner novels, but I think there's potential for something much more epic.
.As for the future of Trek, I'd guess a TV series when the film trilogy is done, recycling the movie sets (just as TNG did with the old TMP ones) and props. I'd rather a series with Kirk, Spock and co. (recast, film actors sadly won't want to do TV roles) on the Enterprise over some new ship and crew.
I'd love to see an epic story based loosely on the duplicate Earths of TOS fame and how they came to be. It was touched upon in one of the Shatner novels, but I think there's potential for something much more epic.
You're not only far from ugly, you are one of the hottest Trek fans I have ever seen! (not an internet stalker - just a compliment) Thank you for sharing, and for defying the stereotypes!
If you look at the viewing numbers, ticket and merchandise sales, that would be called "the majority."
Sounds like you lot are about two steps away from an exclusive Beautiful People's Star Trek Fan Club
As for the future of Trek, I'd guess a TV series when the film trilogy is done, recycling the movie sets (just as TNG did with the old TMP ones) and props. I'd rather a series with Kirk, Spock and co. (recast, film actors sadly won't want to do TV roles) on the Enterprise over some new ship and crew.
I'd love to see an epic story based loosely on the duplicate Earths of TOS fame and how they came to be. It was touched upon in one of the Shatner novels, but I think there's potential for something much more epic.
Maybe we are, maybe we are.
That's an interesting spin on future hopes, though I'm not sure I agree with it. (I do agree about the TV series once the film trilogy is done; that's what I've been figuring on for a while.)
Recasting the TOS crew again so soon doesn't sound like the best idea, IMO; Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto are the faces of Kirk and Spock for this generation and I doubt just six-odd years from now people are going to want to see another pair. Not even in this fast-paced, yesterday-is-old society.
Then I shall endeavor to ignore such worthless mathematics! What right do the facts and just the facts have in my brain? Everyone has seen Deep Space Nine, and everyone loves it!
I actually have a friend who claims DS9 is the worst ST show. His favourite is ... well it's a tie between Voyager and TNG which is cool. I feel the same way. But he's only seen a handful of episodes of DS9 and I HATE it when he goes on and on about why DS9 doesn't work and why it has to be a show about a starship instead of a station. I called him narrow-minded on SO many occasions though because the dude has to be right 100% of the time and everyone else is of course wrong and simply giving DS9 a PROPER shot is "a waste of time". It's such an amazing show. I'm not sure I care for the ending, especially Sisko's fate (
) but the show was great. Hell I even liked Ezri and Vic (but I liked Vic cause I love Sinatra and my parents listened to that kind of music a lot so it's also a bit of nostalgia) If my friend had formed this opinion after having seen all the episodes in the right order then I wouldn't hold it against him, it's his opinion. But it bugs the hell out of me when someone claims to be right on a subject they barely know anything about. Another great example....he claims to have known how to do the Vulcan hand greeting and he claims he could easily do it and then all of a sudden he "forgot". I tried to explain to him that once the ability to balance a bicycle in motion is acquired, once you are able to swim easily and yes, once you learn/train your muscles/body movement in such a way that it can do things like the Vulcan hand greeting - it is stored in our neurons and it is never lost. Some people call this muscle memory but that's a bad way to call it as muscles don't have a separate, independent mind of their own. He of course got offended. I couldn't get Elementary Particle Physics last year as a course, it was all full, and I didn't really want Statistical Mechanics since I already had a couple of courses on my hands that had more theory than practice and frankly they were courses that I didn't care for very much (I really wanted EPP). Long story short, I had to take Advanced Radiation Biophysics. And I remember very clearly, though it had nothing to do with the course itself, the professor started talking about the myth of "muscle memory" and the truth behind the general thought. So of course I explained this to my friend and he decided to pull out my super old book "Leonardo Da Vinci on the Human Body" which I generally don't let people touch without my supervision since it's kind of falling apart on certain pages (I tried to find this edition on amazon so I can show you guys but they don't have this particular one). He claims to have read it there one day ~when I wasn't looking~. Ughhhhh yes so this person clearly isn't the best judge of that. I really wonder why he never went into law. All he does is argue, though very badly.
I must say, that's far more of a reply than I'd been anticipating.
It sounds like your friend is very heavily opinionated, and bullheaded and stubborn to boot. If it weren't for the fact that he's routinely incorrect (or at least, incredibly ignorant to the degree that he might as well be for lack of genuine trying) I'd say it's no wonder he's going into law; not that the stereotypes surrounding law are always accurate, but a lot of the time those stereotypes make people who behave so vehemently strongly consider the field.
Unfortunately for him, it sounds like he is routinely incorrect. I'd ask what you see in him, but a.) obviously I don't know more than you just said, so I must be missing quite a bit; b.) his favorite two Trek shows match yours, and in fan circles that's sometimes enough to maintain at least long-range communications. (Did I seriously just say that? I'm turning into more of a nerd everyday.)
As for your Deep Space Nine comments, I agree that it's an amazing show. In rewatching it lately (and slowly making those reviews... did I mention slowly?) I'm realizing once and for all that I didn't just like it as a child because of the space fights and angry Sisko stares. I liked it because of the characters and content. I don't want to say too much about your opinion of the ending because I need to see it again to formulate my own standing, but I did at least enjoy various aspects of it -- the more generally agreed-upon high points of the 'Final Chapter', such as Kira going to Cardassia and the Cardassians as rebels. All the full circle stuff was excellent, IMO.
I liked Vic, too, but I read a comment on here a couple of months ago from someone who said that she loved him when she was younger but now feels it's almost embarrassing how front-and-center he is later on, and that it's all rather cheesy. Again, I'll have to wait to formulate an official opinion on that, but from memory (not muscle memory, mind) I rather enjoyed his presence.
It sounds like your friend is very heavily opinionated, and bullheaded and stubborn to boot. If it weren't for the fact that he's routinely incorrect (or at least, incredibly ignorant to the degree that he might as well be for lack of genuine trying) I'd say it's no wonder he's going into law; not that the stereotypes surrounding law are always accurate, but a lot of the time those stereotypes make people who behave so vehemently strongly consider the field.
Unfortunately for him, it sounds like he is routinely incorrect. I'd ask what you see in him, but a.) obviously I don't know more than you just said, so I must be missing quite a bit; b.) his favorite two Trek shows match yours, and in fan circles that's sometimes enough to maintain at least long-range communications. (Did I seriously just say that? I'm turning into more of a nerd everyday.)
As for your Deep Space Nine comments, I agree that it's an amazing show. In rewatching it lately (and slowly making those reviews... did I mention slowly?) I'm realizing once and for all that I didn't just like it as a child because of the space fights and angry Sisko stares. I liked it because of the characters and content. I don't want to say too much about your opinion of the ending because I need to see it again to formulate my own standing, but I did at least enjoy various aspects of it -- the more generally agreed-upon high points of the 'Final Chapter', such as Kira going to Cardassia and the Cardassians as rebels. All the full circle stuff was excellent, IMO.
I liked Vic, too, but I read a comment on here a couple of months ago from someone who said that she loved him when she was younger but now feels it's almost embarrassing how front-and-center he is later on, and that it's all rather cheesy. Again, I'll have to wait to formulate an official opinion on that, but from memory (not muscle memory, mind) I rather enjoyed his presence.
I must say, that's far more of a reply than I'd been anticipating.
It sounds like your friend is very heavily opinionated, and bullheaded and stubborn to boot. If it weren't for the fact that he's routinely incorrect (or at least, incredibly ignorant to the degree that he might as well be for lack of genuine trying) I'd say it's no wonder he's going into law; not that the stereotypes surrounding law are always accurate, but a lot of the time those stereotypes make people who behave so vehemently strongly consider the field.
Unfortunately for him, it sounds like he is routinely incorrect. I'd ask what you see in him, but a.) obviously I don't know more than you just said, so I must be missing quite a bit; b.) his favorite two Trek shows match yours, and in fan circles that's sometimes enough to maintain at least long-range communications. (Did I seriously just say that? I'm turning into more of a nerd everyday.)
As for your Deep Space Nine comments, I agree that it's an amazing show. In rewatching it lately (and slowly making those reviews... did I mention slowly?) I'm realizing once and for all that I didn't just like it as a child because of the space fights and angry Sisko stares. I liked it because of the characters and content. I don't want to say too much about your opinion of the ending because I need to see it again to formulate my own standing, but I did at least enjoy various aspects of it -- the more generally agreed-upon high points of the 'Final Chapter', such as Kira going to Cardassia and the Cardassians as rebels. All the full circle stuff was excellent, IMO.
I liked Vic, too, but I read a comment on here a couple of months ago from someone who said that she loved him when she was younger but now feels it's almost embarrassing how front-and-center he is later on, and that it's all rather cheesy. Again, I'll have to wait to formulate an official opinion on that, but from memory (not muscle memory, mind) I rather enjoyed his presence.
I admit I haven't seen DS9 in years and we're about to start watching that so maybe Vic WILL seem a lot cheesier than he did before. That'll most likely be the case since I used to think Janeway and Chakotay were ~soul mates~ yet upon rewatching it recently, I've never cringed more in my entire life than I did when I watched Resolutions (I think that's the name of the episode) where he builds her a bath tub. Shudder/cringing/nausea all around.
As for this guy....actually he's not studying law. I said he SHOULD be but then I changed my opinion because he's incorrect most of the time. URGH. The reason why he's around? He's my roommate's friend and he always insists on joining the ST nights. I'm too nice to say no haha....ugh though I've grown tired of his antics. He's in fact here right now insisting we should all watch horror movies today. Um it's ST day and people are here to watch ST wtf
Speaking of which, I should go back now and get this thing going. But first things first. Coffee. Black.
I'm gonna humour you...this is his facebook info page. Check out those beautiful political views of his....
Sigh....
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Yeah, I can't really say much about the Janeway/Chakotay thing because Voyager I haven't watched since the finale originally aired. My memories on that one are vague. Obviously I was a bit older when that show ended, but "Resolutions" was in the second season, right? If so, then I was... nine when it aired. I'm 23 now, so I'd need to see things to say much. But I get your point -- tastes definitely change with time.
There are actually very few 'ships', as they're so hilariously called, I can say I'm behind when it comes to the stories I'm interested in. Maybe I'm just not a romantic at heart, but most romance in fiction has bored me to tears or come across as horrendously cheesy and melodramatic. One relationship I always adored and find myself enjoying yet again is the Kira/Odo thing. It's so great how dynamic that is, and much of the drama doesn't seem so melo, if you will.
As for this guy....actually he's not studying law. I said he SHOULD be but then I changed my opinion because he's incorrect most of the time. URGH. The reason why he's around? He's my roommate's friend and he always insists on joining the ST nights. I'm too nice to say no haha....ugh though I've grown tired of his antics. He's in fact here right now insisting we should all watch horror movies today. Um it's ST day and people are here to watch ST wtf
Speaking of which, I should go back now and get this thing going. But first things first. Coffee. Black.
I'm gonna humour you...this is his facebook info page. Check out those beautiful political views of his....
Sigh....
That's laughable at best. I know several people like that. The ones I know via the internet I've given up on dealing with, and the ones I know via my so-called real life I've actively avoided. They're usually friends of friends and I make it fairly clear to the mutual friends that I don't want to associate with them.
Horror movies during Star Trek day? Maybe you should have compromised and put in The Final Frontier for him.
Come to think of it, is this the guy I think you were talking about in another thread a number of weeks ago? Was that even you? If not, forget this paragraph exists. It all sounds vaguely familiar, though.
Yeah, I can't really say much about the Janeway/Chakotay thing because Voyager I haven't watched since the finale originally aired. My memories on that one are vague. Obviously I was a bit older when that show ended, but "Resolutions" was in the second season, right? If so, then I was... nine when it aired. I'm 23 now, so I'd need to see things to say much. But I get your point -- tastes definitely change with time.
There are actually very few 'ships', as they're so hilariously called, I can say I'm behind when it comes to the stories I'm interested in. Maybe I'm just not a romantic at heart, but most romance in fiction has bored me to tears or come across as horrendously cheesy and melodramatic. One relationship I always adored and find myself enjoying yet again is the Kira/Odo thing. It's so great how dynamic that is, and much of the drama doesn't seem so melo, if you will.
That's laughable at best. I know several people like that. The ones I know via the internet I've given up on dealing with, and the ones I know via my so-called real life I've actively avoided. They're usually friends of friends and I make it fairly clear to the mutual friends that I don't want to associate with them.
Horror movies during Star Trek day? Maybe you should have compromised and put in The Final Frontier for him.
Come to think of it, is this the guy I think you were talking about in another thread a number of weeks ago? Was that even you? If not, forget this paragraph exists. It all sounds vaguely familiar, though.
I'm exactly like you. I prefer a really good story and it's very rare that I "ship" characters unless they have a really well developed, well established chemistry. I think out of all the shows I've watched, the one I truly bought was Mulder&Scully from the X-Files. Those two had me wrapped around their little finger. Though the disaster that happened in the later seasons I chose to ignore. I actually watched XF during the original run (or rather, as of 1995 when I escaped from the Bosnian war to Germany!) and I stopped watching in 2002 when it ended. But then I got an offer to work on XF2 - I want to Believe. I worked in production and I also played a nurse (there's actually photos on my facebook from the set if you're curious
) so between production and the movie premiere I decided to rewatch it. I thought I wouldn't be as hooked or at the very least that I wouldn't be able to see the chemistry I saw when I was a kid. But nope, it's still very much in tact! 
But the Chakotay/Janeway thing. I couldn't even believe how appalling that particular episode was and how forced the "chemistry" was. I am really glad that they never went down that road officially. I also love the fact that Janeway would throw him a bone once in a while but that was it
After DS9 you should give Voy another watch. I must say I thoroughly enjoyed it. DS9 is next on my list. Then TNG. We've already seen TOS again. So after TNG I'd like to give Enterprise a shot since I've only seen a handful of episodes. From what I've seen, I didn't find it that great but I'm sure there's some gems! I'm really really looking forward to watching DS9 and TNG in order again though. It's been a decade now and I've only seen random reruns on TV. Even though Star Trek is mainly episodic (though DS9 was the most arc type of show) I prefer to see them in order and observe the production/direction/character evolution.
The Final Frontier
oh man.....I've sworn TFF and TMP off. I just can't..... My favourites will always be: Khan, Search for Spock, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country and First Contact. And I HAVE TO admit I have a soft spot for Generations too 
I don't think I mentioned this guy before. I've only been here for about 3-4 weeks and well, my start here wasn't the greatest suffice to say
ETA: Your avatar is AMAZING.
Well, after a long, grueling day at my job it's a pleasure to find another post from you. I hope people won't get mad and claim we're hijacking the thread or anything. We are discussing the franchise, at least!
That's awesome, that you got to work on the film like that. I never did see The X-Files in entirely proper order or anything. It's on my list, but everyone I know swears off the final one, two, three or four seasons and that never exactly gets me in the mood to give a show a go...
Come to think of it, that was another show my grandmother (who raised me) watched, but for whatever reason I didn't get to sit down with her half the time. What I did see I really enjoyed. I think as a youngster I was really into the idea of extraterrestrials among us and all, so whenever Mulder would go on tangents to that end, or a UFO would show up or something, I was glued. I can't say I'm quite as conspiracy-obsessed now as I was when I was like ten, because back then I was just raised in a sci-fi household and that's where my imagination wandered... but I think I'd still more than appreciate the cool characters. I'd probably find myself enjoying the Mulder/Scully stuff, too. I remember liking them a lot.
Right now I'm working at what's just about the least luxurious place in America, McDonald's. I'm 23 and I haven't gone to college, and believe me, with each passing year I feel just a bit more jaded about the whole matter, but I was an emancipated minor at 16 (long, irrelevant story) and I've been working mostly full-time ever since. I simply haven't had the time for college, even with all the grants I know I can get. I'm fingers-crossed I can get in this January; I want to pursue an AA in Liberal Arts and then get into something from there. I've done some local community theater acting and loved it. Something to that end, or stage production, or writing professionally, or (strangely) archaeology... all of which sound great. (For the record, this paragraph is basically in belated response to learning a little about you.)
I'll put my cringe glasses on and maybe do a drinking game or something to get through the episode if I find myself in agreement with you.
Yeah, I'll put Voyager high on the list. Like Deep Space Nine, it will be fun to go back and watch from the beginning now that I'm older and more mature, and can really appreciate the character evolutions and such. Like you, I really enjoy watching things from start to finish. I was watching The Next Generation before (and, at the appropriate point, alongside) DS9 and made absolutely sure I watched in appropriate order, for the little things like Data's behavioral changes and all the nods to previous episodes to make sense. Nevermind that that show is very episodic, by the last couple of seasons there were a lot of little references to the past that I enjoyed.
Those are my favorites as well, actually. No joke. Although as I haven't seen Insurrection or Nemesis in quite some time, things might change a bit. Yet... somehow I doubt it...
I don't really have a soft spot for Generations, though, personally. I actually started a thread about it after rewatching it for the first time in ages, over in the movie forum. I do praise it for some standout direction and a few great moments, but overall it wasn't exactly stellar for me. I felt that the script in particular needed some work, but after learning the movie was rushed I can see how things would have wound up as they were. There were excellent lines interspersed between rather subpar ones everywhere else. At least that's how I feel.
Ah, must have gotten you confused with someone else. Not a great start, eh? Did someone feather-ruffle? So far I haven't had any problems with anyone. I haven't been here long, either; I joined several months ago but didn't really start posting or even coming to the site much at all until around the middle of August, I think. I have read several times from veterans that some people 'round these parts are pretty damn stuck-up and it's problematic. I've seen it a bit but haven't gotten bitten by it yet...
Hah! I was considering switching out for another since I've had it since I joined, but I think just because you said that, I'm going to keep it a while longer. Yeah, it's great; it's just that look he has, he looks so ridiculously thug-tastic.
I'm exactly like you. I prefer a really good story and it's very rare that I "ship" characters unless they have a really well developed, well established chemistry. I think out of all the shows I've watched, the one I truly bought was Mulder&Scully from the X-Files. Those two had me wrapped around their little finger. Though the disaster that happened in the later seasons I chose to ignore. I actually watched XF during the original run (or rather, as of 1995 when I escaped from the Bosnian war to Germany!) and I stopped watching in 2002 when it ended. But then I got an offer to work on XF2 - I want to Believe. I worked in production and I also played a nurse (there's actually photos on my facebook from the set if you're curious
That's awesome, that you got to work on the film like that. I never did see The X-Files in entirely proper order or anything. It's on my list, but everyone I know swears off the final one, two, three or four seasons and that never exactly gets me in the mood to give a show a go...
Come to think of it, that was another show my grandmother (who raised me) watched, but for whatever reason I didn't get to sit down with her half the time. What I did see I really enjoyed. I think as a youngster I was really into the idea of extraterrestrials among us and all, so whenever Mulder would go on tangents to that end, or a UFO would show up or something, I was glued. I can't say I'm quite as conspiracy-obsessed now as I was when I was like ten, because back then I was just raised in a sci-fi household and that's where my imagination wandered... but I think I'd still more than appreciate the cool characters. I'd probably find myself enjoying the Mulder/Scully stuff, too. I remember liking them a lot.
Right now I'm working at what's just about the least luxurious place in America, McDonald's. I'm 23 and I haven't gone to college, and believe me, with each passing year I feel just a bit more jaded about the whole matter, but I was an emancipated minor at 16 (long, irrelevant story) and I've been working mostly full-time ever since. I simply haven't had the time for college, even with all the grants I know I can get. I'm fingers-crossed I can get in this January; I want to pursue an AA in Liberal Arts and then get into something from there. I've done some local community theater acting and loved it. Something to that end, or stage production, or writing professionally, or (strangely) archaeology... all of which sound great. (For the record, this paragraph is basically in belated response to learning a little about you.)
I'll put my cringe glasses on and maybe do a drinking game or something to get through the episode if I find myself in agreement with you.
Yeah, I'll put Voyager high on the list. Like Deep Space Nine, it will be fun to go back and watch from the beginning now that I'm older and more mature, and can really appreciate the character evolutions and such. Like you, I really enjoy watching things from start to finish. I was watching The Next Generation before (and, at the appropriate point, alongside) DS9 and made absolutely sure I watched in appropriate order, for the little things like Data's behavioral changes and all the nods to previous episodes to make sense. Nevermind that that show is very episodic, by the last couple of seasons there were a lot of little references to the past that I enjoyed.
The Final Frontier
Those are my favorites as well, actually. No joke. Although as I haven't seen Insurrection or Nemesis in quite some time, things might change a bit. Yet... somehow I doubt it...
I don't really have a soft spot for Generations, though, personally. I actually started a thread about it after rewatching it for the first time in ages, over in the movie forum. I do praise it for some standout direction and a few great moments, but overall it wasn't exactly stellar for me. I felt that the script in particular needed some work, but after learning the movie was rushed I can see how things would have wound up as they were. There were excellent lines interspersed between rather subpar ones everywhere else. At least that's how I feel.
I don't think I mentioned this guy before. I've only been here for about 3-4 weeks and well, my start here wasn't the greatest suffice to say
Ah, must have gotten you confused with someone else. Not a great start, eh? Did someone feather-ruffle? So far I haven't had any problems with anyone. I haven't been here long, either; I joined several months ago but didn't really start posting or even coming to the site much at all until around the middle of August, I think. I have read several times from veterans that some people 'round these parts are pretty damn stuck-up and it's problematic. I've seen it a bit but haven't gotten bitten by it yet...
ETA: Your avatar is AMAZING.
Hah! I was considering switching out for another since I've had it since I joined, but I think just because you said that, I'm going to keep it a while longer. Yeah, it's great; it's just that look he has, he looks so ridiculously thug-tastic.
Honestly, I enjoyed - can't lie here - all of X-Files. But seasons 1-7 are stellar in my opinion. Season 8 had some gems, especially when Mulder came back after his abduction (but there WAS an episode without Mulder than comes to mind. it called Badlaa I think. It made me shit bricks, pardon the expression. Scared the HELL out of me. GREAT episode). Season 9 was truly painful to watch though. There were a few brilliant episodes. Actually really brilliant episodes (TrustNo1, Audrey Pauley, Improbable - this one is one of the best episodes in the entire series as far as funny episodes go - this is not very many episodes out of a whole season though is it? :/). But other than that, season 9 sucked, the finale sucked and XF2 (the movie) was okay in a philosophical, question-your-morals type of way. But it wasn't anything special. And it was certainly not worthy of a movie. It's sad because I wanted to see the franchise end in as great of a way as it began. The entire series somehow comes full circle when the date is revealed (lol, don't laugh but it's that dreadful 2012 date. But to be fair before XF, I didn't see the date mentioned on tv much) and now that that date is approaching it would only be appropriate to finish it off with a bang so that the show truly does come full circle.
I love Generations mostly because of nostalgia. It was the first ST movie I watched in theatres and I was a kid. I loved the Nexus story and I pissed myself laughing at Data I will admit I didn't enjoy it as much when I rewatched it recently. I cringed at Data's laughing, the storyline is lacking but then that ending came and Picard was giving Kirk a proper Starfleet goodbye on that canyon/cliff thingy and I smiled and teared up. You could blame my estrogen for that.
Now excuse me, I must go back to bed. I also apologize if NONE of this makes any sense. I'm on Tylenol Flu Night time, I have fever and am therefore delirious and ... is that a 'gator? *goes to investigate*
I love Generations mostly because of nostalgia. It was the first ST movie I watched in theatres and I was a kid. I loved the Nexus story and I pissed myself laughing at Data
I will admit I didn't enjoy it as much when I rewatched it recently. I cringed at Data's laughing, the storyline is lacking but then that ending came and Picard was giving Kirk a proper Starfleet goodbye on that canyon/cliff thingy and I smiled and teared up. You could blame my estrogen for that. Now excuse me, I must go back to bed. I also apologize if NONE of this makes any sense. I'm on Tylenol Flu Night time, I have fever and am therefore delirious and ... is that a 'gator? *goes to investigate*
I actually knew (somehow) about the 2012 thing with X-Files. Yet I always knew (somehow) that that hadn't been done much before it, so I've always been okay with it. It's most everything else afterward that's bugged me.
I've read some things with, like, Chris Carter and so forth and they're all in agreement that the franchise needs one more film to properly wrap everything up. It would clearly be best if it happened soon, though -- like, 2012 soon...
[QUOTE[I love Generations mostly because of nostalgia. It was the first ST movie I watched in theatres and I was a kid. I loved the Nexus story and I pissed myself laughing at Data
I will admit I didn't enjoy it as much when I rewatched it recently. I cringed at Data's laughing, the storyline is lacking but then that ending came and Picard was giving Kirk a proper Starfleet goodbye on that canyon/cliff thingy and I smiled and teared up. You could blame my estrogen for that.[/QUOTE]I thought the Starfleet goodbye was great. I liked Data crying when he finds Spot, too, and several other things. I can see why it has its charms. I just wish the rest of the film was as great as said charms.
And I won't blame your estrogen. My testosterone was tearful when that goodbye happened, too.
Feel better!
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