That's not how the world works.
Where does the core saga go after Episode 9?
- Thread starter Jedi Marso
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That's not how the world works.
When you qualify the statement with "for me", it kinda is.
No, it's not.
Things don't just cease to exist because someone refuses to acknowledge their existence.
He didn't say they do, he said "for me", which renders every following word of the sentence subjective. His statement is perfectly valid, what is in error is your understanding of it.
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And to me, Star Wars (1977) was basically a standalone story that did not need any additional follow-ups of any kind whatsoever, and everything since then has pretty much been apocryphal or deuterocanonical, at best. I still enjoy it all, nonetheless. I look forward to more of these movies for years to come!
Kor
Kor
Me too. I've seen TFA, R1 and TLJ at the cinema twice. TLJ was plagued with some serious issues, but it's still a highly thrilling film. Rogue One stalled at times, but the brilliant, mind-blowing final act made the whole thing worth it, and then some. Also, the cinematography was outstanding, perhaps the best in the entire saga.
TFA... Was uneven. Excellent first act, but from there it's just lazy and uninspired.
Teach me about the world, Captain Solo.
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It would be an extremely smart decision overall; creatively as stated before they have no constraints and could take their story anywhere they want it; lord help me though if they introduce an ancestor of Skywalker who fights with Han Solo’s great x 7 grandfather while fighting with Master Bob Windu
I'm thinking of a slightly more "mythic/fantasy" aesthetic like in the old Dark Horse "Tales of the Jedi" comics, or some of the movie concept art that never made it into the final productions.
Kor
I would love that, but there is still space travel, and Star Wars has wonderful ruins and splendid temples already. Some of the imagery in those comics, or the covers at least, suggest a lord of the rings with light sabres vibe.
Not opppsed to that, but star ships don’t grow on trees, still needs some of the heavy industry elements.
I'd say most moviegoers disagree with you. Considering, the four films they've done, have done four billion dollars in business.
Let's be honest here: TFA was going to rake in billions regardless of whether it was a good film or not, and regardless of who made it. It was a long anticipated event and a novelty. I don't think Disney should really get credit for that.
That being said, the veneer is rubbing off rather quickly, as Solo is demonstrating.
What was Rogue One's excuse then?
Why does Disney get blamed for the failures but zero credit for the successes?
The core saga ended after TESB, IMHO.
ROTJ was a rehash that was largely awful until TFA came out; the 10 minutes of Emperor goading Luke doesn't make up for the rest of it. ROTJ had another death star (apocryphal as that is, it's also put together remarkably quickly - and even has essentially the same flaw as the earlier one but this time it's not been completely built yet but we have more f/x money so we can fly into it and show off bigger monochrome matte paintings), a convenient rescue that can't make up its mind if it was planned in advance or impromptu, Luke knowing daddy is out there so why did he choose to knowingly tag along and endanger everyone, the big revelation that Leia knew she was Luke's brother all the time (so incestuous behavior aside, is her father’s brother’s niece’s cousin’s former roommate Jerry Springer?)
ROTJ was a rehash that was largely awful until TFA came out; the 10 minutes of Emperor goading Luke doesn't make up for the rest of it. ROTJ had another death star (apocryphal as that is, it's also put together remarkably quickly - and even has essentially the same flaw as the earlier one but this time it's not been completely built yet but we have more f/x money so we can fly into it and show off bigger monochrome matte paintings), a convenient rescue that can't make up its mind if it was planned in advance or impromptu, Luke knowing daddy is out there so why did he choose to knowingly tag along and endanger everyone, the big revelation that Leia knew she was Luke's brother all the time (so incestuous behavior aside, is her father’s brother’s niece’s cousin’s former roommate Jerry Springer?)
Same here, but Disney would fear audience alienation because it would look and act differently. Even the prequels had the same problem, and the OT has no sign of attrition regarding the clones and droid armies, etc. Not that they were consistently written or used in the first place.
^^this
The nostalgia and wait times for "Oooh, a new chapter, let me get my bib on because I'm drooling!!!" was inevitable and that's due solely to cultural zeitgeist. We've seen it all before. In 1999. And the next morning in 1999, we pondered how questionable the next one in 2002 might be because it was a dreary episode. In 2002, the next day after seeing Ep2, we pondered how much more awful the next one in 2005 might be. In 2005, next day arrives having managed to survive ep3, we're glad it's over with - bassackwards hackneyed dialogue and all! Heck, Lucas was on talk shows saying there'd never be an episode VII or anyone else doing an episode VII! Yay! The people are finally free from a franchise that was getting exponentially worse with every new release!
...In comes the Disney $4B purchase in 2012, October 30, so who's doing the trick or treating, and never mind that nonevents like tribal wars threatening Sudan, Argentinians uniting against climate change, or tips for breastfeeding infants in Bangladesh, or other things... nope, the real scoop that day was that everyone is acting like excited puppy doggies. "Ooh! Ooh! (panting) What will the new movie be like? Ooh!" 2015's "The Farce Awakens" arrives. "Well that was a pointless and laughable remake. Han died? Well, most of us knew he wanted out since 1980. Good acting, though. Harrison made how much to act so much out of character? Wow, nice. Some of the new characters were okay, apart from the does-it-all girl and the whiny emo millennial who-does-it-all guy and the other guy who was good with a light saber despite having no training and how'd they get BB8 in the side pocket like that? Gotta buy me one of those!"
Then came 2016's Rogue One. "Oh, they mucked up continuity. I don't care about any of these stick figures. Vader seems more energetic and squirrely despite this taking place just before 'A New Hope' starts.' Who's this movie being made for and what's it trying to address, that old movie already did the setup. Why turn 30 seconds of text crawl into a 2 and a half hour non-extravaganza?"
Then comes 2017's The Last Jedi. "Wow, talk about subverting the trope. They find a map and expect to find Luke, who doesn't want to be found. There's no reason for that at all." and that's just the first 120 seconds post-credits. (Now with luck there will be exposition to resolve that cliffhanger in the next movie, though TLJ could have had Phasma explaining it more credibly in that movie. Oh well. Oh look, Leia is alive again and pulling herself to the ship after daddy blew up the vessel she was in! This is embarrassing, why couldn't she have legged it to an escape pod instead? Hey, it's DJ. He's like Han Solo only working for the bad guys! Why is Rose so sure that Finn flying into the maw of the cannon will somehow destroy it, it's too large. Glad she loves him but that plan was stupid. Why do I have to look up some obscure comic book to find out Luke's new force ability, awesomely shocking as it was? I think it's an okay movie, let me check out the youtube reviews. Oh man, they all hate it. I better hate it too."
Now it's "Solo". "Wow, lots of fanservice and for a plot that answers nothing but takes 30 seconds of dialogue and pads it into 150 minute not-an-epic that nobody was wanting answers for since nothing's been addressed we don't already know or care about. Harrison Ford was hired to coach Alden? That must've cost a ton! Oh, that other Darth is back? Seems to be in one piece again. Oh, he survived? Why couldn't they put in exposition to tie in directly to the prequel the way they should have done in the first place? Oh, Lando is emotionally bonded to an android? That's nice. No android, don't tell or hint at the details. They already did that in Star Trek in 1967 and 1987 and it was no less cringe-inducing back then either. But it's sex, that sells, that should rake in the money big-time." (Oops, it didn't rake in the money, just how feeble are people if the most base and predictable lures stop working? Yikes!)
The latest from masses: "Oh, along with yet another spinoff movie answering questions nobody asked because a line crawl or 10 seconds of dialogue already did that more effectively, and will be about Boba Fett for some reason? Like that'll sell, 2 hours' worth of Vader's lackey. Also, episode IX has been 'leaked' - must be damage control but it takes place years after VIII ended. I wonder how much old-age makeup will be used."
^ Lucasfilm is giving Rian Johnson and D.B. Weiss and David Beniof creative freedom to make up completely original stories set in the SW universe; the last thing they're worried about is "audience alienation".
Who is this "we" you're referring to? Because, that certainly is not my attitude nor many of the Star Wars fans I know.
This is truly bizarre to me. I didn't ask for any of the Star Wars films I got but I'm not going to go out an acted like they are not entertaining, which is their purpose. If there is offense at Disney making money on this franchise, why is George Lucas and his toy merchandising rights not on trial as well?
None of this makes any sense to me.
It isn't supposed to.