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Where did all the future tech come from?
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Son, are Nazi sympathizers and white supremacists any better? I will never understand conserative trek fans. The show is everything you fear.
Anyhow, I am out of this convo
It's nice to see that some people agree with me but are afraid to speak out.
No he's not and you know it. I've spoken my peace.
Well, I can already tell you're going to be hours of fun.
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I find assertions such as this to be fascinating. Do you believe that to enjoy a program that you have to agree with the political philosophies proclaimed by the characters?
Are only die-hard monarchists capable of enjoying Game of Thrones, for example?
Certainly, there are portions of the Star Trek canon that exalt socialism, but on the other hand:
A) Socialist economics is hardly a focus of most of the shows. There are active debates on these very forums as to what form of currency, if any, are employed within the Federation.
B) In the cases where socialism is endorsed, it hardly makes any sort of logical case for it. Simply having fictional magic machines that provide you with everything that you need at the touch of a button and proclaiming that you have these things because of socialism scarcely constitutes any sort of valid argument for wealth redistribution.
every major aspect of trek leans left, heavily so at times.
Most of pop culture leans left, period.
Most conservatives have learned to tune it out. As I stated upthread, simply creating a fictional utopia and proclaiming "Because socialism!" hardly challenges any thinking conservative in the slightest.
J.R.R. Tolkien stated that his writings were "primarily theological", and certainly religious fans of his work can find allegories of the authors' conservative Catholic outlook, such as the immortal elves being able to survive on the Elvish waybread Lembas, which translates into the same root word as used for Eucharist.
But just like his fans who are not Catholic can completely enjoy the Lord of the Rings, folks who are not leftist in their politics are perfectly capable of enjoying Star Trek.
In both cases, after all, they are fictional fantasies. Any part that a person disagrees with hardly constitute a threat to their belief systems.
I don't expect Trek to agree with my political views. In fact, I expect it to disagree. I expect it to challenge me.
Indeed so, and that is something that I really like about Discovery so far. As an example, it appears to be setting up a debate as to whether it is ever OK to cause pain to another creature for some benefit.
-- Is it OK to cause temporary pain in order to save thousands of lives and avert disaster for the Federation? Many would argue in the affirmative for that.
-- But on the other hand, after the fighting situation gets stabilized, when has it crossed the line? I think that most people would agree that using the spore drive merely for convenience or to satisfy curiosity would be abhorrent.
Simply the debate over things such as that provide entertaining intellectual challenges for viewers to ponder.
And of course, that is just one of numerous items that could potentially challenge the viewer to think about issues. Another that has gotten a lot of discussion here is Lorca's management style, and so on.
True but a lot of those things are metaphors that people can look for if they want to but I'd argue that they aren't nearly as upfront as Star Trek is with its messaging.
Superman is clearly modeled after Jesus but if you never really thought about that......it's not like Jesus starts quoting the Bible to you. You can still just watch him as a super hero with super powers kicking bad guy butt.
While Trek can often do this too they also frequently toss it right out in your face like how they made Earth a Utopia by making a one world government and giving everyone everything for free (via replicators).
Conservatives are free to like whatever they want but I've found that the ones that Trek fans tend to be more moderate or Libertarian in their views especially about social issues. It's the far right extremists that claim to like the show that boggle my mind.
The "I don't know why conservatives are Star Trek fans" thing is narrow-minded, elitist bullshit.
As Dr. San Guinary stated above, some people like to be challenged.
Others, obviously, only want entertainment "safe spaces" where everything that they believe is only validated and given positive affirmation.
For the folks making the entertainment, it doesn't pay to insult roughly half of your potential audience from either side of the aisle.
Do you know why? Because it sells. Hollywood is full of people trying to make money. Nothing more, nothing less. If the Left Behind movies were doing a billion dollars, they would be copied by every studio on the planet.
Do you really think that's what two Jewish SF fans from Cleveland were going for?
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