And even more than that in re-runs, right?
Where did all the future tech come from?
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Sure, why not.
Laser. laser, laser.
Every time someone watches "The Cage", or "The Menagerie" the evidence grows stronger!
The Enterprise launched in 2245, the Discovery is brand new off the production line in 2256-ish, launched at most months prior to the episode, making her 10 years newer. And purpose built to be the cutting edge for the "project" being worked on.
The USS Glenn is even newer and more advanced, maybe only several weeks out of the yard.
Doesn't sound likely. After all, both ships are of a class named after some third, preceding vessel - even though there are only two experiments running, with two mad scientists in charge. And the Glenn had the lower registry.
If there's a "production line", the ship type might be old, possibly predating the Constitutions. If all we have for suggesting the Discovery herself is new is a criminal commenting on the shine of her shuttlebay floor, the hero ship herself might be old, merely given a good internal scrubbing for this task that involves intrigue on the inside.
Timo Saloniemi
If there's a "production line", the ship type might be old, possibly predating the Constitutions. If all we have for suggesting the Discovery herself is new is a criminal commenting on the shine of her shuttlebay floor, the hero ship herself might be old, merely given a good internal scrubbing for this task that involves intrigue on the inside.
Timo Saloniemi
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I agree the Enterprise was launched in 2245, but I'm not sure the Discovery is new. She could have been gutted and refitted. As far as Glenn being even newer, I'd say you're wrong about that. First, she has a lower hull number (1030 vs. 1031), second her more sophisticated systems are likely an indication that she's had time for more upgrades using Stamets' and Strong's work.
Lorca calls her a more advanced sister ship in the episode.
Registry numbers mean jack squat as far as determining the "age" of a ship.
Of course she's more advanced. She's reached "asperian 240" whereas Discovery has only made it to 12. Whatever that means. But the point is that Lorca's remark might not indicate that she's a later build, but has simply made more progress.
Within all of Starfleet, sure. But of two ships of the same class? Of NCC-1030 and NCC-1031 and in the absence of any other information about the two ships, which do you suppose was built first? They were probably included as part of the same construction contract, rather like the way the U.S. Navy contracts for several ships of the same class at the same time.
Considering the nature of economics without the necessity for money, I would question any use of the word 'contract' from contemporary contexts.
The Glenn is likely the older of the two. She had a lower number and was farther along in the experiment. Also I do not think the class was designed for this experiment. It was simply the newst and most advanced science ship class and these two, near to completion likely just got co-opted for the experiment.
I don't care what seems futuristic to me. I only care if the characters consider it futuristic. It was treated that way in Enterprise.
I'd prefer something closer to the look of the original show because my brain likes visual continuity. Nobody was happier than I when they retconned why the Klingons look different in TOS. I've learned to not go mental over minor inconsistencies (fighting the Romulans with nukes) but big visual stuff is a hang up I struggle to get past.
I'd prefer something closer to the look of the original show because my brain likes visual continuity. Nobody was happier than I when they retconned why the Klingons look different in TOS. I've learned to not go mental over minor inconsistencies (fighting the Romulans with nukes) but big visual stuff is a hang up I struggle to get past.
It may have something to do with the labs. If it can hold over 300 active experiments, that may be designed with that in mind. And because it has that ability, maybe it was perfect for the current experiment. I mean the Iconan tech may need that kinda thing and the fact the crossfield class could do it would have made them perfect for it. Them being new, top of the line and built for experimentation is just icing on the cake.
You are getting visual continuity, from ENT. Everything is built from that design point and its pretty easy to see.
The problem with the "futuretech" of Discovery is that it isn't logically incorporated into the universe.
We see them having reactive holographic systems, yet they are only used on a single science station and a dedicated communications room. That's not the sort of integration you would get with a real life technology, it's the kind of integration you get when a television writer wants to show off.
We see them having reactive holographic systems, yet they are only used on a single science station and a dedicated communications room. That's not the sort of integration you would get with a real life technology, it's the kind of integration you get when a television writer wants to show off.
I posted it in my review of the episodes:
"Guys, I love that we're a bunch of anal retentive nerds but seriously, the fact it's not the sixties and special effects don't reflect the sixties is not an actual flaw. We can acknowledge it's a TV show."
"Guys, I love that we're a bunch of anal retentive nerds but seriously, the fact it's not the sixties and special effects don't reflect the sixties is not an actual flaw. We can acknowledge it's a TV show."
When the inmates came onboard the Discovery, it was mention in dialog, ''Why a new starship doing this far from the front lines?'' Then later when they were in the corridor, it was mention in dialog, "This is a old Crossfield class science vessel.''
If you listen to the dialog, ''We been working on this for 12 years. The the war broke out and got drafted, then divided into 2 thems. They couldn't have built a new starship in less in 6 months. So both the Discovery and Glenn would had been already built starships that went to the shipyard as soon war started.
Yes they are new. Those two ships are new. But nothing says the crossfield is 12 years old.
I have no issue with em being drafted. Would be cool really.
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