where are all the Germans?

[Tenacity]

i mean germans not americans with german names.

There's Leah Brahms, a traditional German family name, no mention (iirc) as to her nationality. The actress was American.

The immortal Flint lived in Germany for decades during the nineteenth century.

Bunch of German nationals in Storm Front, might not be what you're looking for.

 

[JesterFace]

Yeah, I've erred on the side of editing the thread title.

I think it's better with Germans mentioned in the thread title, earlier I had to use a webtranslator to figure out what this thread was about.

- Finnish guy

 

[Tim Thomason]

There's almost certainly an intentional effort to avoid bringing specific nationalities and the like too heavily into play, because the future history that leads from now up to Archer's time is best left with large gaping holes in it to make room for our real world in the fiction, and also because it would imply things about "winners" and "losers" in our current geopolitics that would threaten to bias Trek - and that would run contrary to Trek's vision of a brighter future for ALL of humanity.

TNG in its first season made a mistake by accepting that the Soviet Union was here to stay, and would be aiding the world community in ots efforts to reach the stars. Right before they collapsed in the fifth season.

This is why Star Trek should stick to mentioning regions and avoid nation-states.

 

[USS Triumphant]

TNG in its first season made a mistake by accepting that the Soviet Union was here to stay, and would be aiding the world community in ots efforts to reach the stars. Right before they collapsed in the fifth season.

This is why Star Trek should stick to mentioning regions and avoid nation-states.

I agree. However, that wasn't a mistake. That was a continuation of already established history from Star Trek IV, in which St. Petersburg was referred to as Leningrad even in the latter half of the 23rd century.

 

[USS Triumphant]

Colonel Green scoured a large portion of the African continent of life, making room for his ideas of a "bold new future for humanity". And then he got upset about the suggestions that he had done it out of racism, rather than because he was a non-discriminatory mass-murdering maniac with a plan, and so he wiped out part of Germany, just to make the point that he wasn't really a racist bad guy like they were saying.

 

[Spot261]

No. No we don't. Those of us who are educated enough to know who he was *at all* most certainly do not forget the moral compromise we made by using him instead of punishing him for his crimes.

Of course there is a definite school of thought that he really hadn't committed any crimes at all, or at least any that distinguished him from countless people on both sides, many of whom were decorated and honoured because their horrific brainchildren were put to our uses, not the Nazis. He had simply done what thousands upon thousands of people on both sides had done and put the talents he had into helping his country fight a war. The prominence of his achievements should be taken as testament to his talents rather than his malice. We don't typically debate the moral implications of the US continuing to make use of Oppenheimers efforts after the war, so why make the distinction based on an accident of birth?

I find it singularly doubtful that had he not been in the singular position of being both a world leader in rocket research and a prominent german citizen during the rise of the reich he would have devoted his time and effort to anything other than the space research that was his passion and which he eventually returned to as a US citizen. That had always been his goal and refusing to aid the war effort would likely have had him shot as a traitor, or at the very least removed from his work and sent to fight on a front line somewhere to die a pointless death.

 

[USS Triumphant]

I certainly won't argue against us having done the right thing in preserving his talents. But I just wouldn't be honoring him by naming anything after him. And the crimes I was referring to weren't even related to how his creations were used in war. He considered himself a patriot, and I understand that, and also, that is a danger in inventing just about anything, but that doesn't mean we stop inventing. I was talking about the people that his experiments killed and neighborhoods destroyed *in Germany*, as collateral damage to his rocket development. *Those* cannot be construed as valid parts of prosecuting war, and his comments regarding them were fairly callous as well.

 

[Relayer1]

We saw Einstein in Descent pt1.

at the age he is portraied there he was an american

Aren't we all ?

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[JirinPanthosa]

All the Germans in Trek are holographic or actual Nazis come to think of it.

Maybe the Germans sought peace in WW3 and got wiped out?

 

[USS Triumphant]

Where are all the white women at?

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Sorry. It's what I think of every time I see this thread name come back to the top.

 

[Kor]

I don't think future Earth will have sovereign nations. If you are human (or part-human), then you are a citizen of Planet Earth as well as the Federation, jus sanguinis. Someone may be culturally German, but their legal nationality would be "Earth" instead of "Germany."

If we are bringing up examples from modern history, then citizenship/nationality can be changed. But someone does not lose their ethnic/cultural identity just because they are in another country and become a citizen of that country.

On the other hand, there are some who grow in in a particular country since infancy and are completely acculturated to it, but at some point find that they have to leave and go back to their country of origin because they aren't nationals of their country of residence, even if they are thoroughly unfamiliar with the culture and language of their country of origin.

Kor

 

[XCV330]

"negligible". But also, say what now? Dude, a LOT of the space race in the early years was really our imported Germans against the Soviet Union's imported Germans! Admittedly, it has moved away from that, but our current efforts still stand on the shoulders of giants.

Who in turn were basing their work on prior work of people like Goddard and Tsiokovsky, It is true the v2 devlopment program probably vaulted the space age faster than it would have (Tsiokovsky did not predict the first human space fairers until 12017), though.