When will the next reboot be?
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After three sequels. The next two will do pretty well but the second will somewhat underperform expectations, then Paramount management and Abrams will fall out and they'll do one more working within the current continuity with a lot of direction from the studio and it will really underperform. Cue a whole new direction and "reimagining" which will resemble oldTrek a good deal less than this version does.
The "Spider-Man" syndrome.
The "Spider-Man" syndrome.
Wanting to top 'Star Trek', the producers will pull out all the stops and after a heavy commercial campaign, the sequel will be a huge hit. The third movie (a direct follow-up to the events in part two) will suffer from being a rushed production with heavy studio involvement and an unfinished script (why wait three years between movies when you can just film them back-to-back?). Also, at this point, Abrams will be losing interest in the franchise as it slips further and further away from his creative control. He may hire some lacky he worked with on Alias to direct part three and/or four.
While resolving the plot threads started in the second movie and making a huge chunk of change, the third will be a critical failure. After a long hiatus, the creative team may come back together to do one more sequel (with these actors). This movie has the double duty of trying to be a franchise revival and a loving send off --just in case it doesn't succeed.
Also, the stars who have had the biggest careers outside of Trek may want to be killed off for real (or at the very least, put on a bus) in order to get out of future movies. Likely suspects include: Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Zoe Saldana, Anton Yelchin, and Simon Pegg. Pine and Quinto in this scenario would just get bigger paychecks. Saldana and Yelchin both have promising careers outside of Trek. As they continue to become "serious actors" they may drift away from the series. Pegg seems the most likely to depart since he plays such a minor role and has so many other projects to work on instead.
Around this point we may get a spinoff TV show with John Cho as the captain of the Excelsior, or whatever, but at that point it will be less like keeping the franchise alive and more like sucking the marrow out of its bones. This may sound pesssimistic but seriously --what studio nowadays would OK a movie like The Voyage Home? The original team could get away with something like that since it could be done relatively cheaply. Because ofthis reboot's runaway success and 150 million dollar budget the pressure to knock one out of the park every time will only get higher with each sequel. Any failure, dissapointment,or creative lapse will get magnified under such scrutiny.
While resolving the plot threads started in the second movie and making a huge chunk of change, the third will be a critical failure. After a long hiatus, the creative team may come back together to do one more sequel (with these actors). This movie has the double duty of trying to be a franchise revival and a loving send off --just in case it doesn't succeed.
Also, the stars who have had the biggest careers outside of Trek may want to be killed off for real (or at the very least, put on a bus) in order to get out of future movies. Likely suspects include: Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Zoe Saldana, Anton Yelchin, and Simon Pegg. Pine and Quinto in this scenario would just get bigger paychecks. Saldana and Yelchin both have promising careers outside of Trek. As they continue to become "serious actors" they may drift away from the series. Pegg seems the most likely to depart since he plays such a minor role and has so many other projects to work on instead.
Around this point we may get a spinoff TV show with John Cho as the captain of the Excelsior, or whatever, but at that point it will be less like keeping the franchise alive and more like sucking the marrow out of its bones. This may sound pesssimistic but seriously --what studio nowadays would OK a movie like The Voyage Home? The original team could get away with something like that since it could be done relatively cheaply. Because ofthis reboot's runaway success and 150 million dollar budget the pressure to knock one out of the park every time will only get higher with each sequel. Any failure, dissapointment,or creative lapse will get magnified under such scrutiny.
This is true - although I'd amend it that financial failure will be scrutinized by the studio way more closely than any creative shortcomings.
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I've got my fingers crossed that they do two more movies and then give a series another shot, with or without Bad Robot at the helm (though, that to me, would be ideal.) I can understand the necessity of needing to re-boot the franchise after two spectacularly failed movies and a canceled series. It needed a shot in the arm to remain relevant and profitable. That's what they did. I would question doing it a 3rd time if the following two movies can match the popularity of the first one.
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Star Trek XII a.k.a. Star Trek 2 -- 2012 -- Does better than the first movie because it doesn't have anything to overcome, expectations are higher, they're lived up to. This will be the peak. Enjoy it.
Star Trek XIII a.k.a. Star Trek 3 -- 2014 -- Will still do well but won't perform as well as the second movie. Also, no longer fresh like the first movie and not as well-written as the second because the best non-origin story ideas were used there.
Star Trek XIV a.k.a. Star Trek 4 -- 2016 -- The 50th Anniversary Movie. Dangerously flirting with complacency and, because it's the Golden Anniversary will be prone to too much reverence for the past. At the same time, people will have started to move on. Most movie series start to lose it around the fourth entry anyway.
Insert break. Paramount won't want what happened with the TOS and TNG movies to happen again. Hopefully they'll have learned from the past and for once they'll be smart enough to quit while they're either ahead or not too far behind.
Star Trek XV a.k.a. Star Trek 1 again! -- 2023 -- Who knows what it will be like or how it will turn out?
Incidentally, while there's nothing to say TMP couldn't have happened, I think TWOK itself was a do-over like The Incredible Hulk to TMP's Hulk. They both have TOS in common as their past, story-wise, but any link stops there, outside of recycled footage and the same cast and sets. TWOK is more like another shot at a first movie than a second movie. Irgo, TSFS is a middle-of-a-trilogy movie and TVH is really a third part despite what the roman numeral says.
Star Trek XIII a.k.a. Star Trek 3 -- 2014 -- Will still do well but won't perform as well as the second movie. Also, no longer fresh like the first movie and not as well-written as the second because the best non-origin story ideas were used there.
Star Trek XIV a.k.a. Star Trek 4 -- 2016 -- The 50th Anniversary Movie. Dangerously flirting with complacency and, because it's the Golden Anniversary will be prone to too much reverence for the past. At the same time, people will have started to move on. Most movie series start to lose it around the fourth entry anyway.
Insert break. Paramount won't want what happened with the TOS and TNG movies to happen again. Hopefully they'll have learned from the past and for once they'll be smart enough to quit while they're either ahead or not too far behind.
Star Trek XV a.k.a. Star Trek 1 again! -- 2023 -- Who knows what it will be like or how it will turn out?
Incidentally, while there's nothing to say TMP couldn't have happened, I think TWOK itself was a do-over like The Incredible Hulk to TMP's Hulk. They both have TOS in common as their past, story-wise, but any link stops there, outside of recycled footage and the same cast and sets. TWOK is more like another shot at a first movie than a second movie. Irgo, TSFS is a middle-of-a-trilogy movie and TVH is really a third part despite what the roman numeral says.
I wouldn't be surprised if Star Trek becomes somewhat of a metaseries like Gundam.
Weird. Gundam is exactly what I was thinking of when I made this poll. And I think you're right. In this day and age, when people no longer have the time nor the emotional inclination to brush up on 40 years worth of canon, reboots will become the rule rather than the exception. It won't just be comic book movies or space opera, it will be every franchise, however mainstream. Hell, there's even a reboot of Police Academy on the way.
I voted for longer than four sequels. As of right now this new reboot is fresh and new and has done really well, at least in my oppion. So as a third new reboot? I think it might not happen until near sometime in the future. Its really hard to tell at this moment with just one movie. The sequel wont be out until 2012, and the other movies following those,so its hard to say about a third reboot.We just gonna have to wait until we see how well these next set movies will do.Its just way to early to think of new new new reboot.
I kind of think that it might be a good thing to take things forward after two or three sequels. With a small handful of TOS movies, the writers might be able to go a certain distance before you get to the point where there is danger of routine storytelling.
The next thing to do after a trilogy of films would be to jump forward. The movie would just be called Star Trek: The Next Generation. Rework TNG just like they've done for Robin Hood, Dracula, Batman, or King Arthur and his court throughout the years.
The next thing to do after a trilogy of films would be to jump forward. The movie would just be called Star Trek: The Next Generation. Rework TNG just like they've done for Robin Hood, Dracula, Batman, or King Arthur and his court throughout the years.
I think between the second and third films, we'll start hearing about a new TV sries.
I think it all depends on how long the stars are going to stick around. The problem from a Hollywood standpoint is that it is an ensemble piece. How long until some actors are going to want not only a bigger part of the financial pie, but the creative storyline as well?
I don't think that would likely be a reboot, though. RDM, JMS and Bryan Fuller have all stated they would set their series in the Abramsverse if they got the job.
I really don't see the Abramsverse lasting more than three films, so I think the fourteenth movie will see someone else playing Kirk and they'll simply start it all over again from scratch. No time travel. No alternate universe. No guest star from a previous incarnation. It'll simply be a totally blank slate and a lot of the "rules" will be broken, IMO. Hell, they may even go the Harry Potter route and start Kirk and Spock off this time as teenage cadets on the Enterprise, with subsequent films showing them gradually advancing in rank until they become captain and first officer eventually...
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^ Funny you say that.
I was thinking the same thing the other day. I figure someday a simple rebooting won't be enough and they'll want to think about how to get some more mileage out of it, then I thought about Harry Potter which is getting eight films and Twilight which will get however many films as Stephanie Meyer puts out those books.
That might influence future film-makers to write movies-as-novels or movies-as-chapters instead of just trilogies or dealing with sequels one sequel at a time that either go in completely different directions or exaggerate whatever people liked about the previous movie. It's seems like the next step in longevity for franchises that studios want to endure.
I was thinking the same thing the other day. I figure someday a simple rebooting won't be enough and they'll want to think about how to get some more mileage out of it, then I thought about Harry Potter which is getting eight films and Twilight which will get however many films as Stephanie Meyer puts out those books.
That might influence future film-makers to write movies-as-novels or movies-as-chapters instead of just trilogies or dealing with sequels one sequel at a time that either go in completely different directions or exaggerate whatever people liked about the previous movie. It's seems like the next step in longevity for franchises that studios want to endure.
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