When Voyager goes bad...

[Guy Gardener]

Only one of them wasn't in make up.

They found the hillbilly with the right look, and then told the make up department to make his style uniform.

There was at least 20 Kazon in that Ocampan encampment.

That's still a lot of money.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I'm talking about the lemonade and pitchfork people.

 

[Guy Gardener]

OH!

Those were porno actors dressed as hillbillies.

Tom and Harry unzipped their flies.

So little blood upstairs that they didn't notice it was all a trap.

Maroons.

We should have known to stop watching then and there.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Jeez they really did look like porno actors!

Y'all come into my barn, I've got something to show you..

 

[AntonyF]

I believe Braga gave up running Star Trek: Voyager after season six, spending most of the seventh season developing the spin-off with Rick Berman.

He did... season seven was officially run by Kenneth Biller. But I was wondering if in season 6 there was some eyes being taken off the ball.

It's hard to know who has most influence at any one time. Jeri Taylor and Michael Piller were still involved - but to what extent?

My problem with season 6 is that it feels about concepts and not about the characters. In fact many episodes piss over the characters (Survival Instinct - suddenly Seven wasn't the first drone separated, and she's been separated before), Dragon's Teeth (like the ep, but Janeway starts a war and pisses off) and Virturoso (makes the Doctor the most unlikeable he's ever been and Janeway seem stupid). Don't get me started on Fury which is on its way for me! But this is the sort of thing Michael Piller sorted out in Trek: keeping focus on the characters. Was he working less on it? Did he work on it at all after stepping down as EP? Did Braga lose focus with Enterprise? It's all guesswork.

But season six, it feels like the ball has been well and firmly dropped.

 

[lurok]

Like Blink Of An Eye as idea and the frozen-in-time crew is nice, but you're right; cheaply done. Agree on others. Bunch of stinkers. When I watched Memorial again recently thought at end I was on rerun of Paradise Syndrome

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Like Blink Of An Eye as idea and the frozen-in-time crew is nice, but you're right; cheaply done. Agree on others. Bunch of stinkers. When I watched Memorial again recently thought at end I was on rerun of Paradise Syndrome

Paradise Syndrome was much better.

 

[Alpha Flyer]

Parts of Season Six sucked (the Fair Haven eps in particular). Some of it was quite good, and -- contrary to what someone in the thread said -- with a lot of character content: Alice, Riddles, Lifeline, Muse. Some of it was genuinely funny (Tinker, Tenor Doctor Spy and Live Fast and Prosper). And sometimes it was very, very good: Equinox II, One Small Step, Pathfinder, Memorial.

Like anything, it's in the eye of the beholder, and it's easy to generalize from one episode that rubs one the wrong way to the entire year.

 

[Alpha Flyer]

Parts of Season Six sucked (the Fair Haven eps in particular). Some of it was quite good, and -- contrary to what someone in the thread said -- with a lot of character content: Alice, Riddles, Lifeline, Muse. Some of it was genuinely funny (Tinker, Tenor Doctor Spy and Live Fast and Prosper). And sometimes it was very, very good: Equinox II, One Small Step, Pathfinder, Memorial.

Like anything, beauty in the eye of the beholder, and it's easy to generalize from one episode that rubs one the wrong way to the entire year.

 

[Alpha Flyer]

apologies for double posting. Season 6 not the only thing going bad -- so's my computer. Happy to engage in a discussion about Memorial though, Anthony F. As someone who has spent a chunk of my political life dealing with war crimes, crimes against humanity and international criminal justice, any hour of popular TV that even thinks to address these issues has my vote.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I was completely enraged by Janeway's decision at the end of Memorial. I agreed with Chakotay's view. A rare position for me, LOL.

 

[Guy Gardener]

She fixed this rape machine but moved on with out care about that communication network she wrecked.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Now now she can't be fixing every bit of debris she finds in the Delta quadrant. Isn't it enough that she fixed 7?

 

[Violet.Phoenix]

Parts of Season Six sucked (the Fair Haven eps in particular). Some of it was quite good, and -- contrary to what someone in the thread said -- with a lot of character content: Alice, Riddles, Lifeline, Muse. Some of it was genuinely funny (Tinker, Tenor Doctor Spy and Live Fast and Prosper). And sometimes it was very, very good: Equinox II, One Small Step, Pathfinder, Memorial.

I agree, season six had it's share of good and bad episodes. I'll admit that I don't find the namesake Fair Haven episode to be that bad, but Spirit Folk is just... yeah. The only thing that I remember from that episode is the Doctor opening the church doors and yelling "SINNERS!!!!!"

A few of my favourites from season 6: Equinox II, Dragon's Teeth, Memorial, Good Shepherd, Muse and Unimatrix Zero I. I'll have to re-watch Pathfinder and One Small Step sometime soon as I don't recall them as well.

Like anything, it's in the eye of the beholder, and it's easy to generalize from one episode that rubs one the wrong way to the entire year.

Exactly. I LOVE season 4, and even though it has the episode "Unforgettable"(which I think is rather forgettable) in it I don't let it tarnish the rest of a superb season.

 

[lurok]

I was completely enraged by Janeway's decision at the end of Memorial. I agreed with Chakotay's view. A rare position for me, LOL.

Ditto. Although enraged might be a little strong for my view. I didn't see why they couldn't have a nice little marker boo-ee (as Americans like to say) saying 'Hi visiting aliens -stop by and see our memorial and learn a universal truth of history' and skip the mind-fuck bit. And I speak as someone who's made pilgrimage to several places of infamy.

 

[AntonyF]

Parts of Season Six sucked (the Fair Haven eps in particular). Some of it was quite good, and -- contrary to what someone in the thread said -- with a lot of character content: Alice, Riddles, Lifeline, Muse. Some of it was genuinely funny (Tinker, Tenor Doctor Spy and Live Fast and Prosper). And sometimes it was very, very good: Equinox II, One Small Step, Pathfinder, Memorial.

Alice was just truly awful - not sure how you can hold that up as a good example!

Alice to me is like many season 6 episodes... they look on the surface that they are character driven, but the story is dictating the character development not the other way around. Alice for example they came up with the concept of the posessed car for the 24th century. Okay. But then they contrive the situation at the beginning that Tom is unhappy - it comes from nowhere and disappears to nowhere. That's fake character development.

I watched Ashes to Ashes last night - which I could and may start a whole topic on - but as soon as Harry Kim said "I was close to her", it was clear that it was going to be a Harry episode, he'll fall in love, she'll move on or die. It's such retrocon and is awful.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I was completely enraged by Janeway's decision at the end of Memorial. I agreed with Chakotay's view. A rare position for me, LOL.

Ditto. Although enraged might be a little strong for my view. I didn't see why they couldn't have a nice little marker boo-ee (as Americans like to say) saying 'Hi visiting aliens -stop by and see our memorial and learn a universal truth of history' and skip the mind-fuck bit. And I speak as someone who's made pilgrimage to several places of infamy.

I was enraged because it was so arrogantly insufferable to think other people should be inflicted with a horrible experience just so they can know about other people's horrible experience.

 

[Guy Gardener]

She did put out some star fleet issue warning buoys so that only the the willing would enter the area, fully aware of what they were getting themselves into (yes, it's from the script, I'm not making it up.) and no ignorant idiots would blunder into accidentally ever again until the buoy breaks down, gets vandalized or becomes stolen just like the last buoy that was put there hundreds of years ago to warn Janeway, which wasn't there when she needed it to avoid all that mind raping.

"sigh"

Although you have to think that every one that lived in the area knew it was there, and didn't put a buoy for a damn good reason... Because frankly this amusement ride would make a pretty devastating weapon if it fell into the wrong hands and could probably be used to take out entire planets.

"Sigh" + "Sigh"

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

She did put out some star fleet issue warning buoys so that only the the willing would enter the area, fully aware of what they were getting themselves into (yes, it's from the script, I'm not making it up.) and no ignorant idiots would blunder into accidentally ever again until the buoy breaks down, gets vandalized or becomes stolen just like the last buoy that was put there hundreds of years ago to warn Janeway, which wasn't there when she needed it to avoid all that mind raping.

But that gets in the way of my enragement.

 

[Guy Gardener]

With my been up too long muddlevission it almost reads like you're typing about your engagement to Kathryn.