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When Voyager goes bad...

I started this topic as I found the end of season four painful and wondered if it was just going to get worse here on out.

I have to say having ploughed through 11 episodes of season 5, I am changing my opinion and - so far - would rank season 5 above season 4.

Night is good, different and I like it that the crew is doing good. Extreme Risk is not great because it has to pack too much into one episode - you just get over clinical depression - but it tries. Counterpoint is great. And i just watched Latent Image, which I remembered liking but I was just blown away by on a rewatch. Amazing stuff.

Of course I've now got Bride of Chaotica, and I can't start that whole Captain Proton BS so expect me to hate season 5 again shortly. :)

But I'll be interested personally to see if season 5 goes downhill and thus it fulfils my memory of being worse than 4, or whether I'll like it more this time.

I liked the concept of Night, the idea of the Malon as industrial type villains, the premise of the episode where they're really isolated and lost, and that Janeway finally is starting to feel guilty for the prediciment she got her crew in.

Extreme Risk, I dunno. It was alright, but Torres being apathetic and depressed after four years of anger just isn't convincing. Equally unconvincing is how this sudden bout of depression disapears as quickly as it cropped up.

Counterpoint was an awesome episode. I always like the wheels with in wheels storylines and this one keeps you guessing.

Latent Image... powerful episode but it really does confirm the evil Janeway theory when she keeps screwing with his program.

As for Bride of Chaotica... I actually liked that one. Sure it's as stupid as all the other Proton scenarios, but it embraces it's stupidity and takes it entirely to a new level that's kind of amusing. :p
 
I started this topic as I found the end of season four painful and wondered if it was just going to get worse here on out.

I have to say having ploughed through 11 episodes of season 5, I am changing my opinion and - so far - would rank season 5 above season 4.

Night is good, different and I like it that the crew is doing good. Extreme Risk is not great because it has to pack too much into one episode - you just get over clinical depression - but it tries. Counterpoint is great. And i just watched Latent Image, which I remembered liking but I was just blown away by on a rewatch. Amazing stuff.

Of course I've now got Bride of Chaotica, and I can't start that whole Captain Proton BS so expect me to hate season 5 again shortly. :)

But I'll be interested personally to see if season 5 goes downhill and thus it fulfils my memory of being worse than 4, or whether I'll like it more this time.

I really enjoyed all of the episodes you mentioned above.

Night has a great, dark undertone to it, and having the Malon be a sort of opposition to the natural environment of the Void is good. And also seeing how the journey was affecting the crew was great.

I LOVE Extreme Risk. Yes it is a lot into one episode, but it is just such a brilliant one for B'Elanna and really gives us this great backstory into her character.

Counterpoint is AWESOME, that is all.

Laten Image is a really great ep. I loved the flashback/memory restorations and how everything was gradually unveiled.

Bride of Chaotica is so much fun, and having just re-watched it recently I can say that I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I personally consider season 4 to be the best, but the other seasons all had their high points as well.
 
You people.. Voyager is about the characters and when you love them you enjoy all the subtle and not subtle interactions despite the plot being an utter wank.

The EMH to me was the stand out character of VOY, as for the rest I'm sort of ambivleant about them.
 
Just reaffirmed my stance after watching "Once Upon A Time", "Timeless" and "Infinite Regress". What a knockout trio IMO. I just don't personally feel like the earlier years were quite this strong. That's not to say I thought they were bad, though. :D
 
You never heard anyone say, "I'm completely fagged"?
Can't say that I have. When I head the word, only two meanings spring to my mind:
1. A cigarette
2. A derogatory term for a gay man

I do agree that the writers were just burnt out and didn't really come up with anything that interesting in the last couple years of VOY. Everyone but Janeway, Seven and the Doctor were forgotten about, and the ship seemed to be on permanent red alert.
 
Damnit, I was hoping I inadvertantly skipped some episodes where they really stepped up the Male Homo-erocticism in S7 :vulcan:

And since the Brits used English before we Americans used English, I can't even get worked up by the perceived derogatory Gay reference ;)

<tucks his outrage back into the box, puts it back on the shelf, and realizes he has nothing to post>

;)

Truth be told, though "Gay" is the mainstream acceptable term, to some of us, the term Gay, conjures up images of smiley fairies prancing around willy-nilly, and we actually find the term "Gay" to be more insulting then the term "Fag"

Me, I've typically got a pretty thick skin, so, I'm not really all that bothered by either term, since, they're only words, and I'm confident enough in my person not to be taken down by words most of the time
 
Haha, "Chute".

"Ennnsign Kim... be my pupil... learn from me... heh, heh, in all things... if you get my drift... I'm staaaring at you... awkwardly..."

"No, I won't abandon Tom."

"You looove him, don't you...?"

"More than I love you!"
 
The biggest things that annoyed me about Voyager were all the freaking continuity errors. It wasn't so bad in the beginning but in the later seasons it was amazingly abundant and it really showed LAZY writing. Having said that I still enjoyed watching the show and my favorite episode was Endgame.
 
According to Ron D. Moore, who, I mean, while I love the guy's work, his opinions on Voyager's production are really, really negative, so maybe there's exaggeration at play... but anyway, according to him after his brief stint as one of the series' writers in the sixth season, there was so little communication in the Writers' Room and the "top dog" writers were such an elitist little clique that it's not surprising they kept getting details way off-base.

Not much talking with one-another extensively unless one's name was Brannon Braga, Joe Menosky, or Kenneth Biller.
 
How about discontinuity victories?

After watching Common Law today, I'm beginning to wonder if Ed Bagley Junior has been in every TV show ever made.
 
Veronica Mars University Dean, hairless archfoe of George Bluth from Arrested development, the colonial Viper pilot who studied medicine at Saint Elsewhere and has a gocart on the Simpsons which is powered by his own sense of self satisfaction who fought Janeway to a standstill at the hight of the Eugenics War is your idea of minutiae?
 
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