When should Neelix've asked 4 a Commission & what rank did he deserve?

[Guy Gardener]

I thought it was good in Year of Hell seeing Neelix in Uniform, although was that because of a lack of clean clothes onboard ship or did he have a pip on his collar?

Obviously the later into the show he asked for gazetting the "higher" the rank he would have "earnt" that it's possible by Season 5 that he might have started as his professional life as a full Lieutenant.

 

[PsychoPere]

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You can just barely make out the pip of an Ensign in this this screencap from "Year of Hell, Part 1." It's more visible in this one from Part 2.

One could assume that a lack of clean clothes resulted in him putting on the uniform, but he had also been formally drafted into Tuvok's Security department.

Ensign does seem an appropriate rank for him based on his normal duties (chef, morale officer, survival/scavenging experience). Anything higher probably would've resulted in bringing up the question again as to why Harry Kim couldn't get promoted.

My question would be, though: should it have been a provisional rank, a la the Maquis, or was it appropriate for him to be granted a full commission as he seemingly was in that timeline?

 

[G2309]

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Neelix would never have made it through starfleet so definately shouln't have a comission. At best he's suitable for cleaning but he probably talks too much to be good at that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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B'Elanna didn't make it through Starfleet and she's meritoriously 5th in command but politically 3rd considering that the Captain and the XO HAVE to be a Starfleet Officer and a Maquis Terrorist and she's the second highest ranked Maquis.

Who was the XO in Resolutions?

It can't have been Tom because I don't remember any other Mutiny in that episode other than Kim having a hissy fit and Kes suggesting that hissy fits were contagious.

It was probably Tom.

From how Tuvok and Kes related, you almost wonder why she wasn't the First Officer?

 

[Markira]

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Who was the XO in Resolutions?

It can't have been Tom because I don't remember any other Mutiny in that episode other than Kim having a hissy fit and Kes suggesting that hissy fits were contagious.

It was probably Tom.

From how Tuvok and Kes related, you almost wonder why she wasn't the First Officer?

Interesting. I immediately thought of Kes in response to your question. But you're right, it was probably Tom.

 

[SPCTRE]

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what rank did he deserve?

Whichever rank involves a promotion ritual that is likely to kill him off.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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An exchange of rings until he's legally referred to as Mr Neelix Janeway?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: When should Neelix've asked 4 a Commission & what rank did he dese

Who was the XO in Resolutions?

It can't have been Tom because I don't remember any other Mutiny in that episode other than Kim having a hissy fit and Kes suggesting that hissy fits were contagious.

It was probably Tom.

From how Tuvok and Kes related, you almost wonder why she wasn't the First Officer?

Interesting. I immediately thought of Kes in response to your question. But you're right, it was probably Tom.

Politically as NOT-Starfleet that qualifies the little girl politically to share command with Tuvok, and if she ever completed her studies, in say halfway through season 4 or earlier if she really floored it... Kes would be a fully qualified Doctor, the EMH would be turned off and she would have received a provisional rank of LT Commander. Because there was no doubt that she would excel and become a doctor there was no reason not to make XO in season 2 to fill up the power vacuum.

Can you image Neelix's erectile dysfunction?

If Kes had stayed, she would have outranked Tuvok and it would have been a coin toss about who Janeway would have preferred to be her XO out of Chuckles and Kes, the winner of which would have been immediately promoted to full commander.

Yup. Chuckles wasn't a full commander.

Niether was Cavitt.

(Niether are you, Markira.)

 

[C.E. Evans]

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Neelix could have been a chief warrant officer. I always imagined that grade to be represented by a single hollow pip.

 

[Shatnertage]

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Neelix should have started his Starfleet career as a senior ensign, a rank I just made up, just so Harry Kim wouldn't have been able to boss him around.

 

[Gary7]

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Yeah a commission as a 4 star... chef.

He really could whip up something out of practically nothing. And we never saw the crew vomiting up his concoctions. They seemed pretty content with his culinary surprises.

 

[exodus]

Re: When should Neelix've asked 4 a Commission & what rank did he dese

I thought it was good in Year of Hell seeing Neelix in Uniform, although was that because of a lack of clean clothes onboard ship or did he have a pip on his collar?

Obviously the later into the show he asked for gazetting the "higher" the rank he would have "earnt" that it's possible by Season 5 that he might have started as his professional life as a full Lieutenant.

Neelix abandon his own people during war on Rynax.
If he didn't have the guts to stand and fight with an army to save a planet full of his own people, wou;d you really trust him to defend the lives of 150 crewmen not of his own species?
Neelix is a tactical risk if given a rank.

Besides, why would Neelix also deserve commission on a ship where he receives free room and board?

He really could whip up something out of practically nothing. And we never saw the crew vomiting up his concoctions. They seemed pretty content with his culinary surprises.

Watch the first 3 seasons again.
Everyone is very polite in the way they tell him his cooking is nasty.
He made people sick once when he over used Jalapenos because he didn't know what they were.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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Hopefully he learnt a valuable lesson from the fall and enslavement of his world.

Most people don't get that sort of quality education.

 

[The Overlord]

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Considering Neelix was a danger to himself and others, he shouldn't get any sort of real commission. Instead of a pip he should have gotten a few stickers and some sparkles and given a completely made up title that holds no real power, like "Grand Associate".

 

[exodus]

Re: When should Neelix've asked 4 a Commission & what rank did he dese

Considering Neelix was a danger to himself and others, he shouldn't get any sort of real commission. Instead of a pip he should have gotten a few stickers and some sparkles and given a completely made up title that holds no real power, like "Grand Associate".

Did "Ambassador" hold any real power for him?

..but yes, by "Homestead" Neelix even considers himself "not officially a member of the crew." because he doesn't hold any rank and pretty sure he feels he doesn't actually deserve one.
Neelix at least wasn't that dumb to know what he was and wasn't deserving of.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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(Real) Ambassadors can outrank Captains within their remit, but then according to Enterprise all "Captains" are Ambassadors, which means really that they can speak for the Federation and the folks back home are bound to stick with whatever trouble she draws them into.

You ever wonder if just for a laugh, Neelix considered shaving head to toe... Oh. He did to disguise himself as a Ferengi. I guess that the Doctor proved with Seven of Nine that he can grow hair quickly on any one but himself.

What about Scientific Method?

Shaving rash and then stubble, and if some places grow faster than others... But if he kept shaving maybe he would fit in better with the human crew and he might have pulled more, and integrated into the crew.

 

[cwl]

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what rank did he deserve?

Whichever rank involves a promotion ritual that is likely to kill him off.

Any TOS style red uniforms still around?