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When did Vader find out Luke was his son?

Now I'm thinking of an alternate timeline where Bail Organa wasn't on Alderaan when it was destroyed, catches up with everyone at Yavin, and tells Luke that Vader is his father.

Oh, and that there's a surviving Jedi Master on Dagobah.

Wait, why didn't R2 tell Luke any of this stuff?
 
Because...

"Jimmy Smits clearly smirks for the camera as he walks offscreen. Whether he is laughing at the cute little reference to Episode IV, or simply at Lucas's convenient little excuse for why Threepio doesn't remember anything, we'll never know. They don't ask for Artoo's memory to be erased, but apparently Artoo's is erased later, or he just doesn't care to fill in Threepio on what had previously happened. It can be assumed that, at some point in the next twenty years, Bail Organa ordered the memories of others erased, including (but not limited to) Yoda, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Darth Vader, Chewbacca and Boba Fett."
 
No, you're right. He either says 'That is the one and Skywalker is there' or 'That is the one and Skywalker is with them.' I've never heard the radio drama but remember that from the movie.

I have an uncanny memory for dialog. I think it was:
Vader: "That's it. The Rebels are there."
Ozzel: "My Lord, there are so many uncharted settlements. It could be pueblos, it could be---"
Vader: "That is the system, and I am sure Skywalker is with them. Set your course for the Hoth system!"
Pueblos?! :guffaw:

It's "smugglers".
 
Also, one might suppose the rebels had a cell arrangement and multiple relatively redundant bases for just such an emergency - if they had any brains, anyway. The one on the Yavin moon was just the HQ that week. :p

The Rebels appeared to have an actual industrial base. They were able to muster a substantial fleet against the Imperials at Endor. Now given the economies of Star Wars, maybe giant starships with hyperdrive and turbolasers aren't that big a deal (the equivalent of Somalian speedboats:p) but they seemed to be commensurate with the Imperials whom we might presume had far greater resources.

Of course, we need not--heck, half the galaxy might have risen after Yavin. It's not like anybody other than the Imperial Navy and Army themselves actually believed in Palpatine's leadership, and that was because of the Force if I remember the novels correctly.

I actually prefer to think of the Rebel Alliance as a highly organized structure who had graduated from spectacular annoyances in X-wings to conventional warfighters. Guerilla warfare doesn't usually work that well against an enemy willing and able to obliterate your planet from orbit. Trek could've taken a page from this.
 
No, you're right. He either says 'That is the one and Skywalker is there' or 'That is the one and Skywalker is with them.' I've never heard the radio drama but remember that from the movie.

I have an uncanny memory for dialog. I think it was:
Vader: "That's it. The Rebels are there."
Ozzel: "My Lord, there are so many uncharted settlements. It could be pueblos, it could be---"
Vader: "That is the system, and I am sure Skywalker is with them. Set your course for the Hoth system!"
Pueblos?! :guffaw:

It's "smugglers".

You know, that does make more sense! I've just been hearing it the other way all these years. I figured it was Star Wars Eskimos or something.
 
Also, one might suppose the rebels had a cell arrangement and multiple relatively redundant bases for just such an emergency - if they had any brains, anyway. The one on the Yavin moon was just the HQ that week. :p

The Rebels appeared to have an actual industrial base. They were able to muster a substantial fleet against the Imperials at Endor. Now given the economies of Star Wars, maybe giant starships with hyperdrive and turbolasers aren't that big a deal (the equivalent of Somalian speedboats:p) but they seemed to be commensurate with the Imperials whom we might presume had far greater resources.

Of course, we need not--heck, half the galaxy might have risen after Yavin. It's not like anybody other than the Imperial Navy and Army themselves actually believed in Palpatine's leadership, and that was because of the Force if I remember the novels correctly.

I actually prefer to think of the Rebel Alliance as a highly organized structure who had graduated from spectacular annoyances in X-wings to conventional warfighters. Guerilla warfare doesn't usually work that well against an enemy willing and able to obliterate your planet from orbit. Trek could've taken a page from this.

I think you'll find that the Alliance didn't build it's own ships but purchased them. They had the big star cruisers built the by Mon Calamari who had no love for the empire, Corellian Corvettes were probably dime a dozen. the X-wings if I remember correctly were built by Sorosub. They maybe of had a hand in the designs though (is it canon that Admiral Ackbar designed the B-wing?).

Sites like Wookiepedia list the makers for each type of ship on both sides.
 
The Rebels had very few capitol ships; the fleet at Endor was pretty much all they had. And their few capitol ships were mainly made by the Mon Calamari who were the industrial backbone of the Rebel military machine. The rest were defected/captured ships for the most part as I recall.
 
Yeah, he found out in the Vader's Quest comic from 1999 or so, I forget the details. I always thought the DVD Edition revamp of the Emperor's dialogue was a little strange because they're trying not to spoil the reveal at the end of the movie. But yeah if the damn kid's name is Skywalker and he's from Tatooine, would anyone think that's a coincidence? :p
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, the new dialogue makes no sense in the context of the movie. He had to have known before that. I guess we can assume he's feigning ingnorance with the emperor because he wanted to find Luke and make him his secret apprentice, so they could overthrow the emperor together and rule the galaxy.

That's the way I've decided to reinterpret the scene. Seems fitting considering the prequel trilogies, to be honest.

Well, I'd bet that's why it was added, since Vader was led to believe the child was dead along with his mother. And JEJ's delivery is brimming with sarcasm. Vader was probably wondering whether Palpatine would admit it or just play dumb and try to ignore it.

"There can be no doubt that this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."
"How is that possible? Because I seem to remember you saying something about Anakin Skywalker's wife and unborn child being dead, you prune-faced dick. So, you can understand how I was somewhat confused when I found out that the Rebels' force-sensitive champion was named Luke Skywalker. Thanks for clarifying that for me. Asshole."
 
Also, one might suppose the rebels had a cell arrangement and multiple relatively redundant bases for just such an emergency - if they had any brains, anyway. The one on the Yavin moon was just the HQ that week. :p

The Rebels appeared to have an actual industrial base. They were able to muster a substantial fleet against the Imperials at Endor. Now given the economies of Star Wars, maybe giant starships with hyperdrive and turbolasers aren't that big a deal (the equivalent of Somalian speedboats:p) but they seemed to be commensurate with the Imperials whom we might presume had far greater resources.

Of course, we need not--heck, half the galaxy might have risen after Yavin. It's not like anybody other than the Imperial Navy and Army themselves actually believed in Palpatine's leadership, and that was because of the Force if I remember the novels correctly.

I actually prefer to think of the Rebel Alliance as a highly organized structure who had graduated from spectacular annoyances in X-wings to conventional warfighters. Guerilla warfare doesn't usually work that well against an enemy willing and able to obliterate your planet from orbit. Trek could've taken a page from this.

I think you'll find that the Alliance didn't build it's own ships but purchased them. They had the big star cruisers built the by Mon Calamari who had no love for the empire, Corellian Corvettes were probably dime a dozen. the X-wings if I remember correctly were built by Sorosub. They maybe of had a hand in the designs though (is it canon that Admiral Ackbar designed the B-wing?).

Sites like Wookiepedia list the makers for each type of ship on both sides.

Then the Mon Calamari were building warships in what I would presume was a violation of Imperial law (try building your own aircraft carrier, see if the government thinks it's cool:p). The Rebels still had a substantial industrial base and apparently some areas where they could operate freely enough to commission and purchase those sweet Mon Calamari cruisers.

Mr Light said:
The Rebels had very few capitol ships; the fleet at Endor was pretty much all they had. And their few capitol ships were mainly made by the Mon Calamari who were the industrial backbone of the Rebel military machine. The rest were defected/captured ships for the most part as I recall.

I dunno. If that's the case, how did they ever take Coruscant? They suffered rather heavy losses against the Death Star II. I freely admit I can remember hardly anything at all about Zahn's stuff and the other books, but it appears that they had significant reserves if we're to believe they managed to defeat or hold at bay the 99% of the Imperial Fleet that we didn't see at Endor.
 
By the time the Alliance took Coruscant, the Empire had already lost a ton of star systems, thanks to the Emperor's death and thanks to some of the Empire's military leaders breaking off and making their own power grabs, which only further divided them and made it easier for the Alliance.
 
Yeah, it really wasn't until the New Class program that the New Republic really began manufacturing its own starships on a widespread basis.
 
The Rebels appeared to have an actual industrial base. They were able to muster a substantial fleet against the Imperials at Endor. Now given the economies of Star Wars, maybe giant starships with hyperdrive and turbolasers aren't that big a deal (the equivalent of Somalian speedboats:p) but they seemed to be commensurate with the Imperials whom we might presume had far greater resources.

Of course, we need not--heck, half the galaxy might have risen after Yavin. It's not like anybody other than the Imperial Navy and Army themselves actually believed in Palpatine's leadership, and that was because of the Force if I remember the novels correctly.

I actually prefer to think of the Rebel Alliance as a highly organized structure who had graduated from spectacular annoyances in X-wings to conventional warfighters. Guerilla warfare doesn't usually work that well against an enemy willing and able to obliterate your planet from orbit. Trek could've taken a page from this.

I think you'll find that the Alliance didn't build it's own ships but purchased them. They had the big star cruisers built the by Mon Calamari who had no love for the empire, Corellian Corvettes were probably dime a dozen. the X-wings if I remember correctly were built by Sorosub. They maybe of had a hand in the designs though (is it canon that Admiral Ackbar designed the B-wing?).

Sites like Wookiepedia list the makers for each type of ship on both sides.

Then the Mon Calamari were building warships in what I would presume was a violation of Imperial law (try building your own aircraft carrier, see if the government thinks it's cool:p). The Rebels still had a substantial industrial base and apparently some areas where they could operate freely enough to commission and purchase those sweet Mon Calamari cruisers.

Unless you built them under the guise of being passenger liners (damn canon :)

In one of the novels, Leia talks about the Mon Cal star cruisers being originally built as passenger ships but the Alliance convinced them to turn them into warships.
 
Ah yes I remember that. They were passenger liners but then they just stuck the weapons pods on them after the fact when they finally officially seceded.
 
I actually prefer to think of the Rebel Alliance as a highly organized structure who had graduated from spectacular annoyances in X-wings to conventional warfighters. Guerilla warfare doesn't usually work that well against an enemy willing and able to obliterate your planet from orbit. Trek could've taken a page from this.

My theory is that they started off as small cell groups who basically did terrorist attacks or raids, things like that. Eventually, they organized better and better and, by the time of Yavin, had a large, organized community. The new, better organization helped them win their first major victory, which happened shortly before A New Hope.

I don't know how the EU treats this, but I always assumed Mon Calamari was one of those planetary leaders or possibly even Senator for one of those worlds, who secretly continued to build warships and then decided to defect as a planet to fight the Empire shortly before Jedi.
 
"There can be no doubt that this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."
"How is that possible? Because I seem to remember you saying something about Anakin Skywalker's wife and unborn child being dead, you prune-faced dick. So, you can understand how I was somewhat confused when I found out that the Rebels' force-sensitive champion was named Luke Skywalker. Thanks for clarifying that for me. Asshole."
Quoted for hilarity. :rommie:
 
^I'm sure in the SW universe Skywalker is a very common surname...

...because surely Obi-Wan et al. couldn't be stupid enough to not even take the precaution of creating a false identity for Luke...
 
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