When did the First Lincoln Enterprises Catalog Appear?

[Maurice]

Or he's a crazy time traveler who wants to be as perfectly accurate as possible. Also: I'm in.

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[Ssosmcin]

Didn't he claim that Abraham Lincoln was his personal hero, which was why he was Kirk's hero in "The Savage Curtain?" Or is that my memory playing tricks on me? (Come to think of it, he wouldn't have had much involvement in "Curtain," would he?)

Wasn't the story still his premise? The first thing I can see him coming up with would be the teaser: "Abraham Lincoln appears on the viewscreen." Whether or not that means he stated Abe was Kirk's hero...obviously I don't know. According to He Shall Not Be Named in his book, Gene provided roughly the first half before abandoning it, leaving the rest to Arthur Singer (and of course Frederic Brown and/or Gene Coon from whom the story liberally borrowed).

I would love to know then who actually created Col. Green and Kahless.... Gene Roddenberry or Arthur Singer. While Green only really gets mentioned once or twice in the Berman years, Kahless was a much bigger deal in TNG and then DS9. I would kind of love it if he was an Arthur Singer creation.

 

[Christopher]

According to He Shall Not Be Named in his book, Gene provided roughly the first half before abandoning it, leaving the rest to Arthur Singer

The credits say the story was by Roddenberry and the teleplay by Roddenberry and Arthur Heinemann. Memory Alpha says:

• Roddenberry's original story outline dated 8 May 1968 featured Socrates visiting the Enterprise along with Abraham Lincoln, and then participating in the fight on the planet surface. In this version, Surak was called "Lvov" and the "good" team also featured the recreation of a "1970s flower power guru" named "Pon". The "evil" team consisted of "Mr. Green", a late-20th century Earth dictator, Adolf Hitler and Attila the Hun among others. (These Are the Voyages: TOS Season Three, pp. 592-594)
• Similarly to "Bread and Circuses", Roddenberry originally intended this episode to be in part a sour commentary on present-day network television. The Excalbians use their staged "dramas" of recreated figures confronting each other as a means of entertainment and education for their population, who all became dependent upon these "stage plays" as their sole means of gaining knowledge and entertain themselves. In Arthur Heinemann's later script version and Fred Freiberger and Arthur Singer's staff rewrites this angle was mostly abandoned, except for a few lines such as Yarnek claiming that "countless who live on that planet are watching". (These Are the Voyages: TOS Season Three, p. 594)

(Although the page on the Excalbian Surak says the original name was "Lvak," not "Lvov.")

So Roddenberry did create Green, at least. I can't tell from the available info when Kahless came into the picture.

 

[alchemist]

In Roddenberry’s Story Outline dated May 9, 1968, Socrates appears first on the main viewing screen and is then joined by Abraham Lincoln. Also in this outline, the six “good” characters are Kirk, Spock, Socrates, Lincoln, Lvak the Vulcan, and Pon the flower child messiah from 1970’s Earth. The six evil characters are Hitler, Attila the Hun, Kahless the Klingon, McGren (“something of a U.S. 'Hitler-racist' in the late 20th century”), and two N.D. aliens who are “obviously equally evil figures from other planets and historical backgrounds.”

 

[ItsGreen]

 

[alchemist]

 

[Daddy Todd]

If only I could go back in time and give my 8-year-old self a couple hundred bucks to buy as many sets of film clips as that would cover. I'd love to have those today.

 

[Neopeius]

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That's super cool! Thanks so much. I would definitely love to chat regarding what I could and couldn't know as the months go on. I've also got all of the extant fanzines from the 60s that I can't wait to dig into.

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