When did Nimoy finally finish Spock's characterization?

[Grant]

What episode in production order did Nimoy once get the spock character the way he and the production wanted it?

In Naked Time #7 he has this whole emotions as bad taste speech, but then in charlie X, in the rec room he's back to smiling and happily putting up with Uhura singing about him and mocking him in front of the whole room. certainly the spock of season 2 wouldn't have stood for that.

So when was the last episode where spock was 'out-of-character'----besides times where he was under the influence?

"WHEN I CAME ABOARD!! "

 

[number6]

My guess would be once Coon joined the writing staff. The show became much more consistant overall, though I still prefer the first 16

 

[Grant]

I too, prefer the first 16 or so. I love the tone, the isolation of the ship and crew from earth and starfleet. The exploration/resupply of distant colonies etc, rather than the gunboat diplomacy that the show evolved into as time went by.

The rec room,briefing room, gym, arboetum---even theater etc were seen in probably 13 of the first 16 episodes. They actually 'lived' on the ship. It seemed like a community. (Thank god one without kids) Later it was just a navel vessel.

I love the 'big 3' to death but I also loved seeing the crew---all of the crew.

That's why I dislike parts of Trek movies 3-6. It literally had come to the point where the 7 characters WERE Star Trek.


"WHEN I CAME ABOARD !! "

 

[Christopher]

Arguably, Nimoy never finished Spock's characterization, because he's continued to evolve it over the decades. And even within TOS, I don't think there was a point where it stopped evolving. Even after he got settled into Spock's voice and delivery, he still refined his performance over time. In the third season, he was often a lot more cool, controlled, and internalized in his delivery than in the second.

 

[Grant]

^^Granted.

but I'm talking about flashes of anger, smiling, odd statements, shouting etc.

 

[Agenda]

To me, Spock, as all know him, truly arrived in the episode The Galileo Seven.

 

[plynch]

They actually 'lived' on the ship. It seemed like a community. (Thank god one without kids) Later it was just a navel vessel.

That is quite a pregnant metaphor you gave birth to there: navel vessel.

 

[plynch]

To me, Spock, as all know him, truly arrived in the episode The Galileo Seven.

IMO he's still harsh and feistier in that one, in his interactions, than by late 1st season. Not trying to argue, but that ep. popped into mind as one where Nimoy was still learning, when I read the OP. Be well.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

They actually 'lived' on the ship. It seemed like a community. (Thank god one without kids) Later it was just a navel vessel.

A navel vessel is a community. This was illustrated in Carrier, a 10-part PBS documentary filmed on board a USN aircraft carrier, the USS Nimitz.

 

[Maurice]

They actually 'lived' on the ship. It seemed like a community. (Thank god one without kids) Later it was just a navel vessel.

A navel vessel is a community. This was illustrated in Carrier, a 10-part PBS documentary filmed on board a USN aircraft carrier, the USS Nimitz.

NAVAL, for Spock's sake! Navel is something you contemplate...

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Starships to oranges...

 

[plynch]

NAVAL, for Spock's sake! Navel is something you contemplate...

When I had my tummy tuck a navel vessel is what they sent my belly button home with me in. But it wasn't orange.

No, I jest, of course. A naval vessel is actually the locket Erik Estrada wears with his kid's umbilical cord inside. (Look it up, you don't believe me!)

Trivia Fun: In the script of TVH, it originally read "naval vessels" but Koenig couldn't pronounce it, so they fortutously changed it to "nuclear," thus preventing what would have been the obligatory TWOK plothole thread on THIS VERY BBS! Spooky.

I contemplate now. . .

 

[Christopher]

^You mean TVH. There were no nuclear wessels referenced in TWOK.

 

[plynch]

^You mean TVH. There were no nuclear wessels referenced in TWOK.

Wow - thanks -- slip of the fingers/brain.

I wonder if that script change really just "happened" or if some time traveller journeyed back in time to change it, to circumvent our writing about it. Though I am doing so now, so that means it was unsuccessful. Maybe the time line was trying to correct itself unlike my typing.

 

[Hambone]

The Spock character took a giant step backwards in "The Cloud Minders". I wonder how Nimoy felt about the damage that script caused.

 

[Christopher]

^Since "The Cloud Minders" was preceded in the production sequence by "The Lights of Zetar," I've decided that Spock's out-of-character behavior was an aftereffect of the neurological disruption caused by the Zetarians' attacks.

 

[Ronald Held]

I thought it was a continuing evolution, from The Cage, to the new movie.

 

[KeepOnTrekking]

For me, the dividing line between the "emotional, smiling, joking" Spock and the reserved logical Spock was probably when Nimoy stopped putting his hands on his hips. I don't know the exact episode but do remember him doing it still as late as "Conscience of the King," "Galileo Seven," and "Shore Leave."

 

[Red Ranger]

I would say the Spock we have come to know didn't really coalesce till the second season. Sure, he begins to become more unemotional midway in the first season, but as a fully formed, tends-to-be unemotional character? Definitely second season. With a few exceptions, in the third season we saw him become even more emotionally withdrawn. I also think that as a character, he truly evolved by about the sixth movie, TFF. -- RR

 

[iguana_tonante]

The Spock character took a giant step backwards in "The Cloud Minders". I wonder how Nimoy felt about the damage that script caused.

Though he banged a nice chick. I think, tit-for-tat.