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What's up with the next James Bond movie?

JacksonArcher

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So it's been a few months since Quantum of Solace opened. I remember hearing back in 2006 after Casino Royale opened lots of talk about the next installment at this time. Yet, we've heard nothing. The most speculation concerns Danny Boyle possibly directing the next film, which was quickly debunked. Daniel Craig and others involved in the franchise have talked about how the next one gives them a fresh slate, but that's about it.

It seems a bit difficult to assume the next film will be out in the two year span that occured between the releases of Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, so I'm just curious when are we going to start hearing development news on the new film.

Is it because QoS was so tedpidly received? Are the producers, Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson, currently strategizing on their approach? It just seems odd, and I'm really hungry for the next Bond flick, after personally loving what they've been doing with the last two.
 
I wouldn't worry about it. They gave more info out after Casino Royale because it was the first reboot film and they wanted to confirm they would be going on.
 
Maybe, after making a movie that does nothing but dwell upon how miserable the whole world is and how everyone is running out of oil, etc., they just can't personally justify any more fun action movies and are throwing themselves thoroughly behind charity work or something?
 
Maybe, after making a movie that does nothing but dwell upon how miserable the whole world is and how everyone is running out of oil, etc., they just can't personally justify any more fun action movies and are throwing themselves thoroughly behind charity work or something?

...huh?
 
There was a quote from Daniel Craig in I believe December on IMDB that he was told the next film is delayed until at the earliest 2011 because of the global recession. He also said he wants Moneypenny to be in the film and maybe Q.
 
That's good; the series had run the risk of becoming a bit too generic in the last two by shedding so many of the characters associated with the film series.
 
Yeah bring back fun older characters and a gaget man!

While we are at it fire Daniel Craig, he is a hack and can't handle James Bond and his face looks like he is 48.
 
So many hated the casting of Craig before Casino Royale.

Then so many liked him.

Then Quantum of Solace didn't live up to expectations and now it's "recast Bond!"

As for Moneypenny, well, as it is the only "regulars" Craig has scenes with are Dame Judi Dench and Wright, both are humorless. On the other hand, the others Moneypennys never had the charm of Lois Maxwell, and were just a waste of screentime.
 
I quite like Craig in the part; just, now that we've established Bond can be "serious" again, it'd be nice to bring back the film aspects that make Bond Bond and not just some random action hero.
 
There was a quote from Daniel Craig in I believe December on IMDB that he was told the next film is delayed until at the earliest 2011 because of the global recession. He also said he wants Moneypenny to be in the film and maybe Q.

I wonder if that means the release date is 2011 or the start of production is 2011, which in that case means the film won't be released until 2013. Which is a considerably long time after the last film.
 
There was a quote from Daniel Craig in I believe December on IMDB that he was told the next film is delayed until at the earliest 2011 because of the global recession. He also said he wants Moneypenny to be in the film and maybe Q.

Moneypenny I could handle, but I have to vote 'No' on Q. No gadgets. Bond isn't about gadgets.

Yeah bring back fun older characters and a gaget man!

While we are at it fire Daniel Craig, he is a hack and can't handle James Bond and his face looks like he is 48.
:rolleyes: Screams the blathering fanboy. I take it you want the return of the invisible car as well? IMHO, Craig surpasses Connery as the best Bond. Something I never thought I'd ever say in my life.
 
We know it'll have the same writers, we know Daniel Craig will be in it. We know from Craig that it will be lighter in tone but not a Moore-style comedy Bond. We know it'll be pretty standalone but that Quantum can return anytime in future...
 
So many hated the casting of Craig before Casino Royale.

Then so many liked him.

Then Quantum of Solace didn't live up to expectations and now it's "recast Bond!"

I had never liked him. I didn't like him before, I didn't even see QoS yet, I don't really like him in most things he's in but he is a horrible Jame Bond.
 
It occurred to me over the weekend (on seeing some promotion for and some reviews of the DVD of QOS) that this movie has almost done for the Craig series what Licence to Kill did for Dalton's tenure as Bond. I was almost going to post a thread on the subject, but I think it can be dealt with here.

Consider: When Dalton took over the franchise, it had become tired, stale and parodic, with Roger Moore way too old for the role and the movies playing for laughs. Personally, I like Brosnan's swansong, Die Another Day, but many people felt that with the invisible car etc, his turn in the tux had also veered into self-parody. Brosnan was a lot younger than Moore was in 1985 (not to mention an infinitely better 007) but he was a middle aged man compared to Matt Damon's youthful assassin or Christian Bale's beginner Batman. Just as in the 1980s, action heroes like Indiana Jones, Rambo and Arnie's Commando made Bond look tired and creaky, the Bond of the noughties looked irrelevant alongside Bourne, Batman and even tv's Bauer.

Despite his short spell as Bond and the divisiveness he now provokes, Dalton's initial movie, The Living Daylights was enthusiastically received, as was his performance (something sadly often forgotten now). The general consensus was that he had given Bond back his credibility, was the closest actor to the Bond of Fleming's books and the best since Connery. Of course, I'm assuming all of you have long enough memories to remember that Craig received a similar, probably even more effusive, response after Casino Royale.

With the new darker and grittier Bond having proven so popular, Eon decided to make Dalton's second movie darker and grittier still and to throw away much of the Bond baggage. Out went one-liners, Russian generals or madmen seeking world domination and (for the most part) the gadgets. The producers were influenced by movies like Die Hard and Lethal Weapon (indeed, Robert Davi, LTK's villain, was an FBI agent in Die Hard). In came realistic baddies - drug dealers - and a revenge story. Much like has been done with the most recent 007. In fact, the resemblances to QOS are legion: (SPOILERS FOR BOTH MOVIES ABOUND!)

- both are set in South America;

- both feature Bond seeking revenge (LTK, revenge for the death of Felix Leiter's bride and the mutilation of Leiter himself; QOS, revenge for Vesper Lynd's death)

- both start off with what might be called as the extraordinary rendition of a bad guy by Bond;

- each features a rather down to earth bad guy's plot - LTK's villains want to flood the market with their drugs, QOS's villains to take over a utilities company after a military coup. Not quite taking over the world!;

- both movies have Bond losing his licence to kill and scenes where he must evade capture by his own side;

- both movies climax with the villain's lair being set on fire;

- in LTK, Robert Davi tries to kill Bond with a machete, in QOS Mathieu Almeric swings at him with an axe;

- each villain meets his end in the desert;

- petrol/oil plays a part in the death of the villain in each movie. Davi's Sanchez is covered in it and immolated by Bond, while Green's autopsy reveals oil in his stomach, after Bond left him in the desert with nothing else to drink;

- Felix Leiter plays a pivotal role in each movie;

- In LTK, Bond is assisted by Sanchez' mistress and by a female CIA agent. In QOS, he is helped by a woman who also had a relationship with the villain and with a female British Intelligence agent;

- each features a scene with Bond at the helm of an out-of-control plane.

The response to each movie has by and large been that they have gone too far in stripping away the Bond-isms. One criticism of LTK was that it was like a feature length episode of Miami Vice - QOS has also been criticised for being a generic action movie and not feeling like a Bond movie. No gadgets, few one-liners, sparing use of the Bond theme, etc.

Of course, the main difference is that QOS was still a big hit, whereas LTK underperformed at the US box office (even if it did well in other territories). Poor Dalton got the blame for this, even though other should-have-been-surefire-hits sequels such as Star Trek V and Ghostbusters II also flopped in 1989 (the juggernauts of Batman, Indiana Jones and Lethal Weapon 2 pretty much mopped up the competition that year). With Bond having avoided summer blockbusters since Goldeneye's autumn opening, QOS faced no such opposition and was still a hit. So Craig is safe in the role, because money is the bottom line in Hollywood.

Still, I suspect that the producers will respond to the underwhelming critical and fan reaction to Quantum in how they make the next movie. It won't be Moonraker, it probably won't even be as traditional Bond as Goldeneye was (and I still hold that movie up as a bloody good example of how to relaunch a series, without recourse to the dreaded 're-boot'). But I think we'll get Q, we'll get Moneypenny, we'll get more humour (Bond has to get over Vesper's death at some stage), we'll get more girls and sex. And I don't think we'll be seeing any more of the Quantum organisation.

And hopefully we'll get more of James Barry's Bond theme!
 
The big difference between LTK and QoS is that LTK was (I believe) the poorest-performing movie of the film series, while QoS was a huge financial success. While some reviewers and fans didn't like QoS's hard-edged style, the movie was by no means anything approaching the massive financial dissapointment of LTK.

I do think that the next movie will be a bit lighter in tone; Craig has said as much. Which just makes sense, following a movie gut-wrenchingly intense as QoS. But it clearly would not be a repudiation of Craig's approach to Bond the way that EON chose to move away from the Dalton style after LTK by replacing him with Brosnan and, basically, a return to the Roger Moore-style comedies.
 
I'm really looking forward to the next film a lot. My biggest fear is that they'll back off the course they've laid out with CR and QoS due to some of the negative reactions to QoS (which I personally don't understand, but alas...).

I felt they did an excellent job introducing us to and building up the new Bond. They also gave M a terrific role in these new films and worked extremely well with the great chemistry between Craig and Dench, I think.

I really hope they'll continue along these lines. And I also hope to see Quantum again very soon.
 
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