The character Chris Pine plays is much closer to Gary Mitchell than Kirk at any time in the run of TOS. In fact--in an irony that was probably unconscious-- he's even
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What's keeping me out of the theatre....
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The character Chris Pine plays is much closer to Gary Mitchell than Kirk at any time in the run of TOS. In fact--in an irony that was probably unconscious-- he's even
Trying to play some stream-of-conscious catch-up (general spoilers alert, just in case I actually spoil anything that hasn't been spoiled already):
What I'd read into Olsen was that his "Romulan Ass" chest-beating was to point out that his chest was covered in the color red, so everybody knew his fate the minute he opened his mouth.
I watched "Wolf In The Fold" after I got home from the movie. Scotty was always a socially awkward dude.
I believe it was Majel Barrett herself who commented in an interview that the women in the test audience were more put off by Number One than the men. "Who does she think she is?!" TOS gets a bad rap for its backwards attitude towards women, because people don't underrstand how not-backwards the show was in its concepts for its time.
Which is also why the motion sensor bridge interface from "The Cage" was never seen again. The Great Society didn't understand what the hell Spock was doing with his finger.
Speaking of "The Cage" and people being backwards, I grew up super-rural. I was the only person I knew who liked Star Trek, and was ridiculed by my schoolmates for liking it because "having pointy ears is stupid." This was after the show was over 20 years old, by the way.
Though on the other hand, the older I get, the more I like Roger Moore's Bond. I mean, if the slowing of age and the law of averages dicates that your job could kill you any minute, why not happily resign yourself to being VD on legs, shaken not stirred?
What I'd read into Olsen was that his "Romulan Ass" chest-beating was to point out that his chest was covered in the color red, so everybody knew his fate the minute he opened his mouth.
I watched "Wolf In The Fold" after I got home from the movie. Scotty was always a socially awkward dude.
I believe it was Majel Barrett herself who commented in an interview that the women in the test audience were more put off by Number One than the men. "Who does she think she is?!" TOS gets a bad rap for its backwards attitude towards women, because people don't underrstand how not-backwards the show was in its concepts for its time.
Which is also why the motion sensor bridge interface from "The Cage" was never seen again. The Great Society didn't understand what the hell Spock was doing with his finger.
Speaking of "The Cage" and people being backwards, I grew up super-rural. I was the only person I knew who liked Star Trek, and was ridiculed by my schoolmates for liking it because "having pointy ears is stupid." This was after the show was over 20 years old, by the way.
Though on the other hand, the older I get, the more I like Roger Moore's Bond. I mean, if the slowing of age and the law of averages dicates that your job could kill you any minute, why not happily resign yourself to being VD on legs, shaken not stirred?
Yeah, kinda huh? In any case, I liked Chris Pine in the role. He embodied James T. Kirk in his own way rather than doing anything Shatner did. I thought Pine did have some of early Shatner/Kirk in certain scenes.
However, I think Orci/Kurtzman spent far too much time making Kirk THE HERO rather than showing him as a more complicated protagonist. Yeah there's the bar scene and his father's death, but nothing after that. Certainly nothing reflexive.
It wouldn't have taken much, a scene or two where he briefly questioned himself or doubted his choices. His scene with
Spock Prime
As self-proclaimed fans of TWOK, the writing duo should've know that the hero must make a mistake or fail in order to overcome and truly triumph at the end.
Perhaps, Orci/Kurtzman/Lindolf will have Kirk learn the tough lessons of command in the next outing.
From the trailer, and in the movie, "I sure hope you know what you're doing." "So do I."
The changes that I know of already have me seriously pissed off, wholly unecessary changes even with doing a reboot. And some of those changes are sinful crap as far as I'm concerned.
Brutal Strudel's remarks regarding the film seem to confirm my expectations and suspicions, that this is much more Star Wars like rather than "Balance Of Terror." And I find that very sad because beyond certain episodes of TNG and DS9 Trek has been essentially brain dead as it is and that certainly isn't something I'd want more of. For me it isn't Star Trek without the intelligence element. Yes, TOS had some silly and even cringe worthy episodes, but it got far more right than wrong. Episodes like "Spock's Brain" or "And The Children Shall Lead" are not the best representations of the bulk of TOS even though many detractors believe so. The bulk of TOS episodes from all three seasons were much smarter than that.
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I hardly ever flame people and if I did you'd know about it.
I'm happier than ever you didn't go see it. I'd much rather have some new blood in fandom rather than the 20 or so "purists" in this forum.
Do you consider "purist" a flame?
Hmm, looks like more people went to see this movie in its first few days than other ST movie, imagine that. Even adjusted for inflation more tickets were sold. Oh damn, looks like it made $115 million in a weekend...and somehow, 96% of the critics liked it, that's got to be what..some sort of ST record?
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$79.2 mill for Thursday (2 showings) through Sunday, as well as the number one opening worldwide, bringing in another $35.5 million. It is almost $30 million MORE than the tracking numbers. Sunday actually was $3 million more than predicted, that's almost unheard of in box office estimations for a big movie. IMAX figures broke the record of Dark Knight. This movie made more than STIV (ST biggest domstic grosser)in 3.5 days. Its the 15th biggest May opening of all time.
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You might want to look back upthread for comment on winning the popular vote, guy.
And if it comes down to whether I'd prefer being SERENITY or a THE ROCK movie that seriously outgrossed it, the former will always win out.
But I'll grant you this ... it WILL be of interest if the thing has any b.o. legs ... up till recent times, TREK movies always opened huge (if you adjust for inflation and per screen average, you'll see TMP's open still seems beyond phenomenal.) But the dropoff, even on well-received pics like TWOK, is precipitous.
Maybe this one will be exempt ... because it isn't really a trek movie at all except in name and marketing. The destiny-over-choice thing that the movie seems to be pushing is clearly antiTrek, and just as troubling, Nimoy's apparent decision to link himself to the project on the basis of a vague connection to the Holocaust is at odds with his previous position of protecting the character over all, especially given that the character is oddly content with the less than ideal results, instead of doing the right & risky thing or die trying to fix things.
Yeah, your fandom IS better off without such dissenting musings. Might hurt somebody's head or pop a blood vessel.
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Aside from the visual changes there is nothing radically different about the characters (THE cornerstones of Trek, right?).
So, what are those sinful changes that you heard about?
You're right. It was too brief, too quick. I think the bit with Uhura gets lost in my mind.
It's a nice bit. However, I don't think it's fully reflexive in the way Kirk elicited McCoy's advise in TOS, or got it regardless of whether or not he wanted it. And I thought the scene with
Spock Prime
Moreover, thinking about it more now, what was missing was McCoy and Kirk's relationship from TOS where the former served as the conscious of the latter. The friendship and banter is there but the adviser aspect wasn't, which is a shame since Orci/Kurtzman perfectly captured the antagonistic relationship of McCoy and Spock.
Oh well, like I said, there's always the next movie to fully explore that side of Kirk.
Kirk and McCoy just met and they had no time for all that since they were busy saving the universe...ya know just another day at the office....this movie better be a set up for the next where they can develop the interaction that we've grown to love...and that's the formula that's proven to work -- so if they were smart they'll capitlize on that....which I think they will!
But they hadn't just met when the universe-saving plot gets going.
Sure Kirk and McCoy met for the first time in the first act, but then we skip three years ahead to where they've spent considerably more time together than say Kirk and Spock, who really just met in this movie. In fact, after the flash forward we see by the banter that they have a fully-formed friendship. McCoy's comment at the end, "...sure study...", indicative that he knows Kirk well.
Moreover, they'd been busy saving the universe before (in the Prime Universe) and McCoy always found the time to bust Kirk's balls. He certainly found time to do so with Spock in this movie.
I will admit that the pace and plot of the film didn't allow for this kind of interaction. Hence, why I said that there's the next movie to fully explore these aspects other aspects of TOS, particularly Kirk's reflexive nature, now that everything has been set up.
And as I and others have said, either in this thread or others, this film is like Batman Begins and Casino Royal, necessary to reintroduce us to the characters and setting. Hopefully they go The Dark Knight for the sequel and not Quantum of Solace.
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^^^^ 
^We should all see the movie a few more times!
Finally saw the film myself - and while I did really enjoy it and am looking forward to the sequel (I posted my small nitpiks elsewhere, but they didn't detract from my enjoyment at all; and I also liked the small nods they gave to TOS in the film itself) - I really think you should save your money Warped9 because I can guarentee you won't like; and might even vommit in the theatre, given what I seen of your attitude towards post TOS Star Trek - going only by your posts. (And I'm serious).
I had no intention of boycotting this movie but I had serious reservations about it as I was underwhelmed by previous projects of the director & the writers (Lost, MI3, Transformers, the second Zorro movie, etc). But I did like it, it felt like a Star Trek movie and it's probably my second favorite Trek movie behind TMP.
That's why I mentioned the critics. It is a critical success. It has the highest rating of any ST movie on any poll or critic survey. I guess it wins both.
I am fine with dissenting opinions that are in the minority if they are well reasoned and sensible, its the "purists" white knuckling it on their couches to not go see it for whatever bizarre canon reason. This thread tends to fall into that category and most are easy to dismiss out of hand.
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