What's keeping me out of the theatre....
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You ever look at the XI forum? It's as if someone took CRA's most inane posts and used "Find and Replace." It's the exact same behavior.
Well, no, since we're all in an environment where films do tend to pop up into conversations, it's probably not a great idea as a practice, to throw out judgments based on not having seen it out of some principle.
And not seeing said films because of the comments of bbs posters is less than mature.
Just my two cents.
You know, you really could have spent that elsewhere...
Exactly how does having seen the movie give you the authority to declare that anyone who isn't sold on this thing, regardless of their desire to see it (best measured in degrees,) still "lives in their parents' basement" and has "no life?"
How is that less judgmental, especially when most of the posters are only able to see it today? What happens if you see the movie and you still think it's garbage, or even less-than awesome?
By the way, I am going to see this. I'm just not convinced that I would like to pay for this given what I've seen and heard.
Like I started to say at the beginning, if you're going to spend two cents on something, using it to lump all dissenting opinions, regardless of their degree, into the same "immature" category does come off as...perhaps, less than fiscally sound, which is a form of immaturity?
I didn't accuse you of being a dittohead, who are actually a minority (albeit, a painfully vocal one) of the posters who contribute there, so I'd prefer it if you didn't paint me as their opposing counterparts.
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When did you hear me mention (much less promote) comments like your above?
If you see it, and come out hating it, you've got stronger legs upon which to stand than if you hadn't seen it.
"These grapes are sour." 
Here's the thing. The movie didn't quite look strong enough for me to go through the hassle and cost of seeing it in a theatre, particularly at a time when I can see it on Netflix in a couple of months for a pittance, or just own the BR for cheaper than taking my family out to see it. I was, however, still on the fence. I'm a Trek fan, and it's hard to imagine me not going to see a Trek movie in the theatre... (though, I haven't since First Contact, admittedly).
No, I just don't want to deal with them. If the target audience of this movie is a bunch of people that I simply cannot stand, it likely means that this isn't going to be an enjoyable experience in the theatre where I have to deal with these asshats.
That's a big "if", man. How can you possibly let the possible presence of people who won't talk to you anyway sway you?
I wonder - do you only go see the Trek films you hate?
You missed FC. Did you see Nemesis? :PBy the way, I hate Nemesis too. I went into it wanting to like it, but damn, that was a turd!
I knew that they'd lost me when they took that ATV for a joyride AND the bad guys that were there miraculously had the same sort of vehicle with the same sort of handling characteristics!! On a fricking alien planet!!!!!!!!!!!
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The behavior to which I'm referring to is what the vocal minority on our XI forum does on a regular basis. The above statement is a much less rabid, more reasoned form of it, but it still ignores diversity from one person's argument to another.
It comes out today in the US. Your point being?
"These grapes are sour."
I'm sorry, do you have something to contribute other than being an obnoxious dipshit every time this topic comes up, or does your literary skill just take a break when this discussion comes up?
For a professional writer who actually worked in the business, it'd be nice to have an intelligible answer without having to play fucking mind-games with you in order to decipher it.
The problem is that they do talk to me, and they don't shut up! :P More than that, they've got this insane notion that if they insult me and harass me long enough, somehow that'll translate into me suddenly loving this movie...
I wonder - do you only go see the Trek films you hate?
I must have phrased that wrong. The Last Trek movie I went to see was FC. I saw Inssurection on disc, and never have seen Nemesis. At this point, I probably never will, since the TNG movies, on the whole, don't do much for me.
That's a big "if", man. How can you possibly let the possible presence of people who won't talk to you anyway sway you?
I wonder - do you only go see the Trek films you hate?
By the way, I hate Nemesis too. I went into it wanting to like it, but damn, that was a turd!
I knew that they'd lost me when they took that ATV for a joyride AND the bad guys that were there miraculously had the same sort of vehicle with the same sort of handling characteristics!! On a fricking alien planet!!!!!!!!!!!
You wanted to know why I was angry with you in my response?
Exactly how am I supposed to take your arguments seriously when you jump into half-assed sarcastic remarks? Dennis at least takes some time with his drive bys, even they're still bullshit.
Even assuming that I'm wrong, and that you're telling the truth about your feelings on NEM, why the hell would you build your response like this? Either you were being sarcastic or you are a moron.
I'd prefer not to assume that you're stupid, so I'm assuming that you were being sarcastic.
You mean everyday people ages 18-40?
You should probably get out more, Vance. That's pretty sad.
When people try to insinuate that I am immature and then proceed with the same or worse behavior that I did, I don't take that very well.
I wanted to make it clear that I don't think Irishman is in the same league as the people we were discussing, who perpetually use simplistic arguments and mean-spirited tactics with no intellectual goals other than to be a fucking jerk.
You can't have an honest discussion without both sides admitting to fault. Am I emotional? Yes, but I don't assume anyone here is much better.
You know beter than that, Garak...
Edit: Besides, we know there's a lot of deliberate agism going on in this stuff. All you have to do is look at the XI forums which pretty much outright say "If you like anything that came out before two or three years ago, you're old and should die off already so we can get to NEW stuff"
I love hearing this argument, mainly because I'm nineteen.
Besides, the target audience is still a specific group, albeit much larger than Trek's main audience, and has a great deal of overlap with Star Wars and general action-adventure fans.
Really, the only real difference between the target of this film and the other ten films is that the upper management seriously committed to trying something new to get it, which meant adopting a new production and creative staff and a huge PR campaign, which they heavily invested in to overcome the stigma of the last ten being generally inaccessible, self-aggrandizing, and poorly executed in comparison to other films in the genre.
I even admit that TMP was crap in a lot of ways. Sure, it had lots of incredible effects, music score, and well-intended pre-production and production goals, but the writing, direction and general plot leaves much to be desired. Hell, Andromeda was just as drawn out as TMP, but it interspersed the stretches of mostly visual exposition with some colorful dialogue and genuinely exciting circumstances, though mostly of the intellectual variety. My attraction to TMP is more of what could have been as opposed to what was, and any remnants of those intentions keep me drawn to the film, despite having plot holes and bad characterization that would make Jackman do a double-take.
We can have serious issues with the people actually in charge of making the film, but it's not as if TPTB have changed their minds on how they view Trek. To be honest, they're really taken this seriously.
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Better? I'm not claiming to be better than anyone. And I'm intentionally trying to keep my posts focused so that there isn't that much space for the reader to infer tones and motives that aren't there.
And since you asked, yes I honestly hated Nemesis. I also hated Insurrection and Generations and only mildly disliked STV: The Search for God.
Ummmm... what?
Why do you care about the other people who see the movie? See it for the entertainment itself. Don't think about what other people go to see it. You can be 100% certain to go to the movie and no one will be watching out for you. From what I've been hearing, the special effects are the kind you'll want to see on a really huge screen. Don't miss seeing it in the theater and kick yourself later for it.
Awesome. Thanks for clarifying that.
Ummmm... what?
Why do you care about the other people who see the movie? See it for the entertainment itself. Don't think about what other people go to see it. You can be 100% certain to go to the movie and no one will be watching out for you. From what I've been hearing, the special effects are the kind you'll want to see on a really huge screen. Don't miss seeing it in the theater and kick yourself later for it.
There is some truth to that (which is one of the reasons I broke down and saw Watchmen in theaters,) unless you have a really nice HDTV at home or a great monitor.
Honestly though, the only decent theaters near me are Destinta and the Waterfront Loews. The latter has excellent sound and picture, as well as a great facility and cheaper prices than the alternative, but it's a good 20-30 minute drive from my house, and money is tight, which usually forces me to go to Destinta, which is an ugly theater with annoying sound and projectionists who can't find where the edges of the screen are. Seriously, I see films that are either zoomed in too far or one that sinks below the screen by about 6 inches.
At least for me, the people who are usually in the theater with me are a decent, well-mannered bunch (mainly older people, really young kids, and either paste-white or varieties of black, who actually tend to be less obnoxious than my Caucasian counterparts), so I can't say that either then virtual or the physical movie going audience would bother me.
