What you did or didn't like about TUC....

[Joel_Kirk]

When I first saw the trailer to this film I actually thought Kirk maybe was going to 'kick the bucket.' (It turns out the phaser blast I saw in the film was directed to the Kirk double)....

This film was an improvement over the last film, and was the TOS crew swansong...(Although three would return for the next film, actually).

The big conspiracy wasn't really a surprise to me since the magazine tie-ins explained everything before the movie was released...

Anywho:

Likes:

-Uhura speaking Klingon, and getting frustrated...
-Kerla
-David Warner actually portraying a better character than St. John Talbot...
-Final battle
-Cliff Eidelman's score, even though it sounds somewhat generic
-The final 'sign-offs' of the crew, which is a bit deceiving since--as aforementioned--three of those people come back anyhow for the next film...
-Valeris; although, I wonder what the deal is with the shave sides of her head...?
-Sulu FINALLY getting his command....
-Seeing Rand again...
-Seeing Christian Slater show up as an EXC crewmember...

Dislikes:

-I can't think of any...although, some of the effects stand-out as not being seemless(sp?) as they should be...i.e. when Spock stands in front of the ENT viewscreen to explain things...and another scene when Chang looks over the ENT....(something about 'tickle us, do we not laugh'....)


And note to Tuvok, Dmitri Valtane DID NOT die....

 

[Dukhat]

I really, really, REALLY wished they would have used Saavik instead of creating a brand-new character. Never in a million years would I have suspected Saavik was behind the conspiracy, while it was blatantly obvious Valeris had something to do with it, because, well, why else was she in the movie? Not to mention that she would have had a chip on her shoulder after the events of Star Trek III. Hell, even if Kim Catrall played Saavik it wouldn't have mattered. It's not like they haven't used multiple actors for the same character before.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I disliked Uhura and Chekov being idiots.

 

[FormerLurker]

I disliked the first home video release not having Kirk saying "I'm still the Captain." as the Enterprise goes tearing out of spacedock.

 

[Myasishchev]

The goofy conspiracy between enemies to keep their enmity going. It would've been stronger if Chang had been the sole force behind the assassination--but I guess we'd need Spock to wind up on Rura Penthe too so he wouldn't have nothing to do for the rest of the film.

 

[Truth_Seeker]

It's one of my favourite Trek movies. The only think I didn't like was Klingons quoting Shakespeare in their own language. It just wasn't realistic.

 

[Chrisisall]

In retrospect, the unmasking at the end was a little goofy- thankfully, the theatrical cut does away with it.
The book-reading to speak Klingon was a little much as well, but I can live with it.

 

[Orac Zen]

Aside from Uhura being made to look like a complete and utter idiot , the score and the whole Valeris thing (a neon-lit arrow pointing to her with the words "I'm The Traitor!!!" flashing in giant letters could hardly have been more blindingly and ridiculously obvious than what we got), there's little I dislike about TUC. With TSFS it's by far my favourite original series movie.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

This episode had a good story, some great crew interactions and dynamics, a good theme worthy of a send-off to the old crew, and a great, taught ending.

Wher eit goes wrong is in the details. Yes, details that individually wouldn't matter much, but so many tiny details in script and production (including budget issues) bring the film down. The mystery plot also doesn't hold together.

Some examples:

Example: Was anyone watching the dailies when Valeris slides down the pole and shakes the obvious vinyl set? Aside from the fact that this was not batman and no one in this franchise has ever slid down a pole before, this just looked awful. And as with many scenes, many of the lines in this scene seemed off. "That Klingon bitch..." "It was...in the news."

 

[startrekrcks]

Yes it was a good movie I loved every single moment of it it was a good send off for the original series cast wasn't it.

 

[docrice]

Putting JJ's new movie aside, TUC is my absolute favorite. Although the music was much darker than the James Horner themes (which I generally like with Trek overall), it had the right feel of realism for me. The bridge was very sharp with a lot of task lighting, the red uniforms and contrast with the green-blue screen readouts was sharp, and the final space battle sequence was great ... although we have yet another one of those "fire this one torpedo to save the day" thing going on. And the opening scene with Sulu and the Excelsior was great. I've never seen the D-7 look better. It was also nice to see gravity going out of order for once. Oh yeah, the Starfleet assault phaser.

That said, I think Gene didn't like the militaristic aspect of it, but hey, I prefer it the way it came out. As a matter of fact, I think I'm going to watch this movie now...

 

[Sci]

I loved the politics of the film, the whole feel of it. It's really the only movie I'm aware of that truly captures that moment in history, that feeling of the Cold War ending and of the momumental transition the end of the Soviet Union meant for the world. Granted, it's all done with Klingons and spaceships, but it really does capture that moment in history, I think.

Dislike: Excuse me, but you're trying to tell me that Starfleet would brief the Federation President on plans to launch an invasion of the Klingon Empire in the presence of the ambassador from a hostile foreign power? The Romulan Ambassador should not have been there.

 

[Penhall99]

Dislike: Excuse me, but you're trying to tell me that Starfleet would brief the Federation President on plans to launch an invasion of the Klingon Empire in the presence of the ambassador from a hostile foreign power? The Romulan Ambassador should not have been there.

Yeah, I watched this the other day and this scene really bugged me. I mean, its not like the Federation was on good terms with the Romulans anyway, so why in the world is the guy allowed to be there? Very bizarre...

But aside from that, this is probably my favorite Trek movie. I know Roddenberry and some of the cast members didnt like the prejudice against the Klingons that some conveyed, but I thought it was realistic and handled well.

And Kirk was able to go through a great character arch in the film because of it.

So yeah, awesome movie and excellent send-off for the TOS crew. I wish the TNG cast had been able to get a final movie like this as well.

 

[Anticitizen]

I think Valeris was the best-portrayed Vulcan in Trek after Spock and Saavik. Virtually everyone else does the weird voice-modulation-thing - that is, they think that having no emotion means 'talk like a robot'. Spock was anything but monotone. T'Pol, on the other hand...

 

[Mysterion]

Didn't like the introduction of Valeris instead of bringing back Saavik to be the traitor in the story. Having the new character just made it obvious, when having it turn out to be a familiar well-liked character would have made the revelation more of a shock or surprise.

 

[Wynterhawk]

I re-watched this yesterday and have to honestly say that I enjoyed it tremendously. The little mystery going on, then tension between the crew and wow Uhura had more lines than ever! The Klingons weren't cardboard standees of "eeeevvvillll" and actually were developed enough to elicit sympathy and understanding. The initial dinner with the crew and the Klingons was pretty interesting though the abuse of Shakespeare got a little tiring, but I wasn't angry over it. Now I want some Romulan ale

-As was stated before Valeris did have that neon sign above her smarmy head blinking suspicious! possibly traitor! I don't know if Saavik would have been less suspicious in that script. Possibly.

-I thought Uhura was the linguist specialist. Why did she have trouble speaking and understanding Klingon? Did I miss something? Man, that scene could have been revamped. It seemed out of place.

-Yay, Iman. Gorgeous.

-Good for Sulu finally making captain and getting his own ship, though I was a little sad that he wasn't on the Enterprise with the rest of the crew.

-Is that Christian Slater?? So young!

-If this was the future, why is paper still being used to demonstrate things during a conference? Huh?

-I loved how everyone stood around and watched Spock meld with Valeris looking shocked as she started screaming. Hmmm... I don't know what they were trying to do there. To show Spock's breakdown? It reminded me of any means necessary to get information.

-Michael Dorn! You can recognize that voice anywhere.

Overall, I can't find anything that I actively disliked. TUC jumped right to my second fav ST movie. Oh and the sign off at the end was really neat, and sad

 

[DarKush]

Not much to dislike with TUC. It's my favorite Trek film.

Some things I guess could've been better:

-Pink Klingon blood
-Plastic Klingon suits
-Uhura not knowing Klingon language; it was a nice comic moment but didn't make much sense
-McCoy not knowing Klingon physiology; it was nice for the drama, but I think he would've known a little more about Klingon anatomy. He scanned Darvin in the tribble episode. Also, I'm sure there was data from Phlox from the Klingon arc to draw from.
-I liked Valeris, but having Saavik in the film, would've been nice. Because if David's death turned her dark, it would've been more heartbreaking for both Kirk and Spock
-The Romulan ambassador being in the top secret meeting with West and Fed. President. What was he doing there? That was never explained.

 

[Unicron]

* shrugs *

I've always been glad they didn't use Saavik. I just don't believe David's death would be enough for her to go that far, even though it would undoubtedly have been an issue. Kirk would never have condoned the assassination, and he's reasonably honest about the conditioned bigotry he developed against the Klingons as a political enemy. Valeris on the other hand had a use as a more "generic" Starfleet officer who believed the peace process was a "betrayal."

 

[Chrisisall]

-If this was the future, why is paper still being used to demonstrate things during a conference? Huh?

Paper? When was that?
Oooooh, you must have the old Collectors version or something- I have the newly remastered THEATRICAL version! It doesn't contain that scene or the Scooby ending with the rubber mask.
And the transfer is STELLAR!!!

 

[Leela]

I liked the meld with Valeris, because it made sense that at that point, Spock would have let his anger control him a bit.

It made me wonder though about McCoy's reaction specifically, having himself been force-melded, not once, but twice (Mirror Mirror and Wrath of Khan, although the latter wasn't done with malicious intentions)

I would have been interested to see a conversation about that later.