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What you did or didn't like about INS....

Joel_Kirk

Joel_Kirk

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Likes:

*Anij (Donna Murphy is sexy)

*Admiral Doherty (Er, he actually had a feasible plan; there technically wasn't a 'villian' in the movie...i.e. Rufio, until Doherty was killed by said character....)

And don't correct me on the name, I know Abraham's character was not the guy from Hook...! I have a few things to say about Hook, but that's another rant, and thread....:shifty:

*Kell Perim, a Jadzia Dax-like officer...

She was sexy; even her name is sexy....:luvlove:

Say it: Kell.....Perim...

Dislikes:

*What is this a pirate movie? (What is Picard, Worf, and Data doing singing? That was so cheesy...)

And Picard is still dwelling in the past...the barbaric past that his era has supposedly 'evolved' from!

*Uhhh, how do I say it? (Ba'ku planet-Multiculturalism=Ba'ku people)

I think the planet got hit with the same thing that affected Khan's people in 'To Reign in Hell'...

*The people thought they were still doing a TNG series on the small screen; the story has no feeling....no soul....

*I recall a joystick....
 
Insurrection is right down there with TFF and Nemesis, IMO. There's very little I like about it - in fact, I can't think of anything at the moment. Dislikes are easier:

  • crap story / premise. Magic planet has "only" 600 inhabitants, so we'll just move them to suit ourselves and these other people we know stuff-all about who may be helpful to us. There's "only" 600 people on the magic planet and there's billions of us; we're more important so the 600 can just deal with it. Morally reprehensible and makes the Federation look like complete arseholes.
  • unfortunately, these 600 or so "goodies" were really, really boring - so boring I didn't really give a damn if they lived or died.
  • really, really boring "baddies". Just dull.
  • Anij was boring - a romance of the week character and little more.
  • yet another arrogant, supercilious, ignorant, dumb-arse admiral prepared to screw over the Federation's principles for his own ends. Does promotion to the Starfleet admiralty come with a free lobotomy or something?
  • the utterly puerile "humour" - particularly the infamous Troi / Crusher conversation.
  • the flagship of the Federation being piloted with a joystick. Too stupid for words.
To each their own but to say I'm not a fan of this movie is putting it mildly.
 
THE GOOD

It's always nice to see the Next Generation cast on the big screen.

Ensign Kell Perim: Delicious.

Dr. Beverly Crusher & Anij: Ditto.

The return of Lt. Daniels. Ooh! Continuity!

Ru'afo is a fairly 1-dimensional villain. However, F. Murray Abraham chews scenery with reckless abandon, raising the character somewhat above Shinzon & Nero, IMO.

The new dress uniforms.

For once, the warp core ejection systems work.

THE BAD

Needed a better explanation for why Worf was there.

Enterprise rescues Captain Picard while leaving Ru'afo to die. Hardly seems very Starfleet of them.

Data serving as a flotation device.

Everyone tries as best they can to forget about Data's emotion chip.

Story feels too light and lacks any sense of epic scope, which particularly stood out in sharp contrast to the galaxy-shaking events of the Dominion War that were taking place on a weekly basis on DS9.

While the production design is great and the locations are absolutely gorgeous, somehow Frakes fails to put enough production value on the screen. The making-of documentary frequently talks about how Insurrection had way more locations than First Contact, yet Insurrection feels like the smaller film.
 
Like: "Saddle up, lock and load"

Dislike: The joystick maneuver

Overall, it was a good 2 part episode, but not that great of a movie.
 
I like the music and the chemistry between the ngen actors.

I dislike every attempts to make us smile. Maybe it's just me, but the humor is so lame...
 
The movie isn't bad. However, it is not that good either. Off all the movies, this feels the most like the show, I think. However, partly because of that, it feels like an episode instead of a movie. It didn't feel "epic" enough, unlike the other films.

This review kinda sums up the film's faults.

The Borgified Corpse said:
Needed a better explanation for why Worf was there.
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They did. He was there because of mumble, mumble, mumble.
 
Not all the humor was lame. They did something Star Trek is often unique in being able to pull off, and that's saying the same joke twice, without interruption, and have it be funny both times. You may not like it, but if the audience laughs, it's funny. And "Have you felt your boobs firming up?" twice in a row, the second time Data to Worf, is something the audience I was with laughed at hysterically.
 
FormerLurker said:
Not all the humor was lame. They did something Star Trek is often unique in being able to pull off, and that's saying the same joke twice, without interruption, and have it be funny both times. You may not like it, but if the audience laughs, it's funny. And "Have you felt your boobs firming up?" twice in a row, the second time Data to Worf, is something the audience I was with laughed at hysterically.
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I don't doubt that this story is true, there are all sorts of people in this world, but in the theatre I was in the sound of eye-rolling managed to be louder than the sound of people laughing.
 
Likes

- Of all the TNG movies, this is the one with the strongest mystery element to the plot. Having said that, it is still a relatively weak mystery compared to anything from the TOS films. This is a shame because the TNG cast on the show always seemed to be at their best when solving a mystery (instead, we got 4 movies of them blowing stuff up ...).

- Picard's romance was relatively affecting

- Some of the puberty jokes were funny (especially Worfs)

- Data going berserk in the beginning was one of the more TNG-like moments in any of the films in that it was most like something we would have seen on the TV show

- Some attempt to ground the storyline in political issues of the day (exploitation of less advanced peoples)

- This is the only TNG movie to feature a cave. I have a soft spot for this particular Trek cliche. :lol:

Dislikes

- New age mumbo jumbo galore. Perfect moment? Wtf?

- Data's "lock and load" speech. So corny.

- The fight sequence with the probes or whatever they were has some questionable FX moments

- Some of Picard's speeches come off a bit too sanctimonious

- Maybe not enough at stake for dramatic purposes. Nobody is trying to kill the baku per se, they are just trying to ... move them. Ho hum.
 
Likes:
- Donna Murphy was wonderful, and F. Murray Abraham made a better villian than he's usually given credit for.
- The opening scenes with Data presented an interesting mystery.

Dislikes:
- Embarrasingly bad attempts at humor. Really, it made The Final Frontier seem like Shakespeare.
- Anthony Zerbe phoned it in. He's usually much better than this.
- The U.S.S. Joystickprise
- My wife summed it up better than I can. As the credits started rolling, she said, "That's it?"
 
Likes:
-Hunt for Data
-Son'a: Admittedly it they weren't fleshed out enough, but I thought they were interesting. I liked the blood feud angle and I liked Ru'afo. But F. Murray Abraham as a Cardassian or Vorta would've been so much better. I also liked the design of the Son'a ships.
-The attempt to add some depth to the story with the recitation of forced locations.
-Reviving Troi-Riker romance
-Perim (wished they had brought her back)

Dislikes:
-Not resparking Picard-Crusher thing
-Most of the forced humor though I did like the android's bottom bit
-This movie not being about the Dominion War; the movie just never felt that big or epic to me
-The joystick
-Giving Geordi real eyes and then taking them away
-The admiral was a bit too much of a mustache twirling villain; can't recall if S31 had been created by then, but it would've been cool if the admiral had been one, like what was initimated in Trek Lit. I believe
-Lily white Ba'ku
 
Like: The Battle of the Briar Patch
Dislike: Jostick on the bridge - really why couldn't he just pilot the ship from the damn helm console?
 
This movie was as bad as Generations, and only Nemesis was worse.

What I liked? I can't think of anything. I'm trying, but nothing is coming up. I know:

1. Data doesn't die.

What I disliked? Way too many things, I'll mention the top 5

1. The Ba'ku seems to be arrogant pricks. What's with the condescending speech at the beginning? ("Yeah we're more advanced than you, but we gave up on technology to lead a peaceful life, and we we won't pick up any weapons to defend ourselves). If I were Picard I would have said "Ok then, have a nice day everyone, we're packing our bags and taking off. Number 1, feel like a trip to Risa today?)

2. The So'na were not "bad", they were just the misunderstood children of the Ba'ku. So the children look like horrible monsters, and all they wanted was to look young again like their parents. Why couldn't they just, you know, make up with their parents and go down to the planet like what ended up happening anyway at the end of the movie?

3. Picard defended these arrogant selfish asswipes because, you know, Anji is one hot mama!!:rolleyes:

4. Picard's idea of defending is running. Lots and lots and lots of running away.

5. Phaser rifles break like bamboo. You ever smack an AK47 against a block of cement? Maybe if you use a chainsaw you can break one.


TheKeeper said:
- My wife summed it up better than I can. As the credits started rolling, she said, "That's it?"
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You sir, are a lucky man, that's a keeper :lol:
 
knine said:
Overall, it was a good 2 part episode, but not that great of a movie.
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Exactly my sentiments, this is actually what I told a buddy of mine after I saw it in the theater; when he asked me how the movie was. I did enjoy the limited battle scene, it did have some cool visuals.
 
The attempt to have Picard need to defy his superiors was good. The stakes were really not high enough to warrant it, though.
 
Likes:

The score (Goldsmith was good as always)
The story felt the most like a TNG episode out of all the TNG films
The cast of TNG is always fun to see
F Murray Abraham was clearly having fun, chewing up the scenery
Anij and Kell Perim
Dominion references on the big screen!

Dislikes:
The Baku and the Sona, two lame new races
Worf showing up with no attempt at an explanation
Lame humour
The joystick
The effects were clearly not ILM quality
They cut out Quark's cameo, and Max Grodenchik playing a Trill
Why is the ENT putting out brushfires, anyway, rather than on the frontlines of the Dominion War?
 
I don't understand why both sides couldn't exist on the same planet, or why the village even needed to be moved for renegade Starfleet purposes. It's an entire planet and one small group of people don't take up very much room. If you're on opposite sides of the planet, you won't even see each other!
 
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