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What would Roddenberry want in XI??
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A better story would have been a sequel to City on the Edge of Forever...first they stopped off in 1963 and yanked JFK away in the split second before he was killed. Then they drag him back to depression-era NYC and force HIM to kill Edith Keeler before going back and taking the bullet himself.
Then young Khan meets up with chesty Khan to take over the Federation, only neither Khan trusts one another. Nomad (who has since merged with Landru and V'Ger) erase their memories and both Khans become valued members of the crew, just in time to prevent anyone from actually SEEING Romulans before BoT. The resulting tachyon field somehow reaches out across the quadrant to zap Noonien Soong just as he was standing on his toilet trying to hang a clock on the wall. Soong hits his head and suddenly he has the idea for Data's positronic net.
Then Riker says "Computer...end program...this is worse than TATV!", then he runs off with Data's cat Spot, who is actually a member of Isis the Cat's race of super-intelligent felines.
Excuse me...my head is about to ... asplode!
Then young Khan meets up with chesty Khan to take over the Federation, only neither Khan trusts one another. Nomad (who has since merged with Landru and V'Ger) erase their memories and both Khans become valued members of the crew, just in time to prevent anyone from actually SEEING Romulans before BoT. The resulting tachyon field somehow reaches out across the quadrant to zap Noonien Soong just as he was standing on his toilet trying to hang a clock on the wall. Soong hits his head and suddenly he has the idea for Data's positronic net.
Then Riker says "Computer...end program...this is worse than TATV!", then he runs off with Data's cat Spot, who is actually a member of Isis the Cat's race of super-intelligent felines.
Excuse me...my head is about to ... asplode!
Isn't "Chesty Khan" a hip-hop performer?
One thing that he fought was the feminine thing.
He really had to put a lid on Uhura and also fought it when Majel was #1.
I think he would be pleased to see the expansion of Uhura's role as we will see in the movie.
Remember he couldn't show a navel and got even when he produced Genesis II by having Mariette Hartley showing 2 navels.
Spock was also a sensitive area as many people in the 60's viewed him as satanic looking.
But most of all it will be about the ship. The ship was the central part and I think along the way especially in the movies that we got away from that.
The Enterprise as a real powerful ship should be part of the focus. In most of the movies it has been shown as too weak. It must be kick ass.
He really had to put a lid on Uhura and also fought it when Majel was #1.
I think he would be pleased to see the expansion of Uhura's role as we will see in the movie.
Remember he couldn't show a navel and got even when he produced Genesis II by having Mariette Hartley showing 2 navels.
Spock was also a sensitive area as many people in the 60's viewed him as satanic looking.
But most of all it will be about the ship. The ship was the central part and I think along the way especially in the movies that we got away from that.
The Enterprise as a real powerful ship should be part of the focus. In most of the movies it has been shown as too weak. It must be kick ass.
Coming to [at least] partial conclusions on what GR might think of it may be possible if we consider all the things he said about what it is to him, examining episodes he wrote both in TOS and TNG, and hearing his directions to others on creating it. Pretty good starting points for anyone willing to search it all out, which I am not.
Right off the top of my head though, I know he disliked conflict between main characters so it's not a stretch to say the Spock/Kirk fight scene in the trailer would be something, if he'd even listen to ideas about it at all, he'd need much convincing of.
Right off the top of my head though, I know he disliked conflict between main characters so it's not a stretch to say the Spock/Kirk fight scene in the trailer would be something, if he'd even listen to ideas about it at all, he'd need much convincing of.
Anything that would make him money...
Interesting to read your answers.
I know that he was not happy with ST2 as it was just a 'shoot-em-up' action adventure at first. He was happier when Harve Bennet took some control and put some themes in.
He has said that ST is full of statements. He also said in 1985:
'At least , if people chose to have a show to have a cult about, at least it wasn't one where some anti-hero comes on and says 'Hey fella, get yours while you can. At least it was a show that believed in the sanctity of life.'
There you go.
I know that he was not happy with ST2 as it was just a 'shoot-em-up' action adventure at first. He was happier when Harve Bennet took some control and put some themes in.
He has said that ST is full of statements. He also said in 1985:
'At least , if people chose to have a show to have a cult about, at least it wasn't one where some anti-hero comes on and says 'Hey fella, get yours while you can. At least it was a show that believed in the sanctity of life.'
There you go.
'Add to that the also above-referenced fact that Roddenberry had no fewer materialistic, self-interested aspects to his nature than any other man and seemed to have as many half-baked, flaky ideas as great ones. Anyone who thinks that they know or can prove what Roddenberry would have thought of any of the Trek projects since his passing is engaging in intellectual masturbation.'
It was long time before Roddenberry made any real money out of ST, Starship. And, he wrote quite a few golden episodes. i's not masturbation to have respect for them man and his work. All you can go on is what he said.
It was long time before Roddenberry made any real money out of ST, Starship. And, he wrote quite a few golden episodes. i's not masturbation to have respect for them man and his work. All you can go on is what he said.
TOS might have been created because of GR, but TOS was successful through the efforts of many people, including Herb Solow, Gene Coon, writers like D.C. Fontana, directors like Marc Daniels and Joseph Pevney, and the rest of the cast and crew. GR might've helped revive Trek a decade later, but it became successful again thanks to people like Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer.
Please, Cheapjack, rather than making three posts in a row, use the Edit button to amend and add to the first post. Also, in the case of the third post, using the Quote or Multi-Quote button makes more clear who you're quoting and to whom your response is being addressed (in this case, I think it was Starship Polaris, but I'd have to scroll back in the thread to know for sure.)
Wrong. There is also - and more importantly - the evidence of what "Star Trek" actually turned out to be on the screen (and no one need genuflect toward any authority in order to draw conclusions there for themselves) and the testimony of other witnesses and participants in the creation of "Star Trek."
I believe at somepoint he actually predicted it to happen...
Ahem... um well, yeah that's it.
I'm frankly astounded there are any self-professing Star Trek fans who actually believe this statement any longer.
Without Gene Coon, Herb Solow, Bob Justman, Dorothy Fontana, Harve Bennett, Nick Meyer, Leonard Nimoy, Rick Berman, Brannon Braga, Ron Moore, Ira Steven Behr, Manny Coto, etc., we wouldn't be here talking about this stuff.
Well, maybe we'd be here, but talking about Land of the Giants or something.
Before the initial question can be answered, you first have to determine which Gene Roddenberry would be involved.
If we're talking about the GR from '67, he probably would've insisted on stricter adherence to the established timeline, different casting choices, certainly would've gotten rid of those characters that weren't supposed to be there, like Chekov, Sulu, and Uhura, would've likely nixed the whole alternate timeline angle, and minimized the time travel aspect simply because it's so overused. The threat to Kirk from a future foe would've remained, but it would've been old Kirk and Spock as a team going back to save the day. Probably going back to several points in the timeline to stop Nero before deciding enough was enough and killing Nero as a child.
If we're talking about the GR of '87, he just would've fired the whole lot of 'em and we'd probably either get another TNG film or go another eighty years in Trek's future with the crew of the Enterprise-J (hopefully redesigned as something other than a warp driven pizza cutter).
If we're talking about the GR from '67, he probably would've insisted on stricter adherence to the established timeline, different casting choices, certainly would've gotten rid of those characters that weren't supposed to be there, like Chekov, Sulu, and Uhura, would've likely nixed the whole alternate timeline angle, and minimized the time travel aspect simply because it's so overused. The threat to Kirk from a future foe would've remained, but it would've been old Kirk and Spock as a team going back to save the day. Probably going back to several points in the timeline to stop Nero before deciding enough was enough and killing Nero as a child.
If we're talking about the GR of '87, he just would've fired the whole lot of 'em and we'd probably either get another TNG film or go another eighty years in Trek's future with the crew of the Enterprise-J (hopefully redesigned as something other than a warp driven pizza cutter).
That he's dead... and as much as you guys would like to think so, you were never in his mind.
Yep.
Roddenberry got publicly angry with attempts by fans to influence casting on "Star Trek" at least once.
did they? i'm not aware if they did. maybe.
Didn't Red Dwarf end up doing that story?
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