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What would New Human culture have become like, if the producers kept the concept from the TMP novel?
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I think if they kept with the New Humans concept, human characters would have been harder to relate to (and Next Gen was already pushing it) and Trek would have suffered as a result.
I dunno, its funny how a lot of the CRAZY elements of New Humans aren't really....all that crazy.
So there's:
* Some nudists
* Respected prostitutes as a profession
* Vaguely hippie-like
* Marriage is not a permanent institution
Okay
I'd argue we're more different than them now than from TMP's vision
So there's:
* Some nudists
* Respected prostitutes as a profession
* Vaguely hippie-like
* Marriage is not a permanent institution
Okay
I'd argue we're more different than them now than from TMP's vision
It was a very '70s concept.
And those are just some characteristics. Others could have been explored in episodes further fleshing them out.
The idea that they’re not relatable...do we care? They’re interesting. Since when are the aristocrats, beauty queens, and sociopaths in most our fiction relatable really?
Even the hubris of these New Humans so arrogant as to be seduced by more stimulating aliens, that could be shown as an addiction problem. Or held as a mirror to a lot of us today losing our minds politically to the cult of personality. Or what have you.
And it doesn’t have to be all the New Humans but a spectrum within the population in the same way that not all Baby Boomers or Millennials act the same way.
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I think the 1st Generation Starfleet crew also isn't arrogant either. They're a bunch of super-intelligent enlightened people who immediately become Vulcan-wannebes or whatever because they are seeking higher consciousness and greater awareness.
That doesn't strike me as arrogant.
It's just Kirk, Scotty, and McCoy are fine being human as is.
That doesn't strike me as arrogant.
It's just Kirk, Scotty, and McCoy are fine being human as is.
Yeah, the idea of cleansing the world of populations of people has been done and is being done enough to make this comment in poor taste. One of the things the New Humans had going for them is that they weren’t genocidal bigots despite, by some people’s perspectives having, cause to be.
In my experience, stupid people think that they are very smart already, and they stubbornly refuse to listen to anybody who actually is smart and knows better than them. So if some super-intelligent species dropped by, the stupid people would probably tell them to take a hike.
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My genuine apologies. I recognise here my choice of words to describe my thought could have been better, and my flippant tone about what is a very real and very frightening situation (both historically, currently, and within the fictional context of the movie's plot) was completely unnecessary and insensitive. I'm very sorry.
Wow, I’m genuinely touched. So much willful bitchiness these days. Thank you Lance. Have a lovely day.
It would have become what we saw in/on ST: TNG (and why I find a lot of TNG episodes across all 7 seasons un-rewatchable these days.)
^ that’s funny, because I found myself rewatching the first couple seasons of TNG recently, specifically looking for the futurism discussed in this thread and found myself wishing they’d done much more of it. The 80’s-ness of it was difficult to get though, sure, but it was also kind of charming trying to imagine what they were thinking at the time. The magic they were going for. The 60’s of TOS or 90’s of VOY or (on day) the 10’s of DSC will be.
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Speaking of VOY, it's practically a time capsule now.
There was so much of an emphasis on Seven becoming "human" ("human" as in "throw away everything Borg"). She was being asked to throw away half her identity -- half of what makes her a person (prompting her now-famous zinger from "The Gift": "You are no different than the Borg").
So much went without question.
I'm glad she's coming to ST: Picard. I'm curious to see what -- if anything -- they do with this notion of "becoming human".
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These "New Humans" would either be the stereotypical American/East Coast "Blue Bloods", or American/West Coast "Progressives". It's no accident that Kirk would be critical of such types, being clique or collective oriented, since he is from the Midwest, where there is a history of pioneering.
Arguably less so than Trekkies prefer to believe. The first automatic doors were in use 6 years before Star Trek premiered. Tablet devices ("IBM NEWSPAD") appear in 2001: A Space Odyssey. Flip phones are arguably a logical solution to making a device with a lot of buttons pocket friendly. HP released a touchscreen computer in 1983 based on tech going back to 1970 and earlier. Star Trek didn't so much inspire or predict these things as popularize them.
In case anyone is wondering, "Uh, when? Where?" it's during the mealtime scene aboard the Discovery as they watch an "edited for signal delay" BBC interview of themselves explaining the mission. For years I assumed the screens were built into the table (which they were in reality to house and hide the rear projection hardware), but one looks closely, you can see a corner of the "tablet" hanging off the edge of the table. When I finally noticed those overhanging corners, the metaphorical bulb lit over my head. "D'oh! Those are meant to be magazine thin portable devices! I'm an idiot!"
What would New Human culture have become like, if the producers kept the concept from the TMP novel?
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