i was just wondering if she died and if there was no trace of her at all , no backups anything what would all the drones and cubes do? plz
What would happen if the borg queen died?
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The Queen can be replaced.
I got the feeling that Seven of Nine was being "groomed" as a possible future Queen. The existing Queen seemed far too interested in her, and prior to being separated from the Borg she appeared to not be a typical drone. She certainly was a Borg zealot.
I don't think the Borg were biologically immortal, so Queens would die or be killed from time to time, another (female?) drone would become the new Queen.
I don't think the Borg were biologically immortal, so Queens would die or be killed from time to time, another (female?) drone would become the new Queen.
"Dark Frontier" seems to hint at this, but I think the Queen was just lying to Seven in order to get her back.
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i was just wondering if she died and if there was no trace of her at all , no backups anything what would all the drones and cubes do? plz
Probably whatever they did before the Queen came along. She comes from Species 125, meaning they experienced 124 species before they even had a Queen.
The Queen can't die, because the Queen is the Collective. The body we see as "the Borg Queen" is not an individual, it's just a central processing node for the collective consciousness of the Borg, a consciousness which is the sum total of the mental activity of every single drone, just as the consciousness of a human brain is the sum total of the activity of its neurons.
We've seen more than one Queen die -- in First Contact (and reportedly in "The Best of Both Worlds" before that), in "Dark Frontier," in "Endgame" -- but those are just specialized drones hosting the Queen programming (which the novels have nicknamed the Royal Protocol). If one Queen body is destroyed, the program is simply downloaded into the next suitable drone.
And yes, I think it's possible that Seven of Nine was such an "heir apparent" drone, which would explain why she was stored in a special compartment deep at the center of her cube in "Scorpion, Part II," and why she was more high-functioning than most drones even before her severing from the Collective.
We've seen more than one Queen die -- in First Contact (and reportedly in "The Best of Both Worlds" before that), in "Dark Frontier," in "Endgame" -- but those are just specialized drones hosting the Queen programming (which the novels have nicknamed the Royal Protocol). If one Queen body is destroyed, the program is simply downloaded into the next suitable drone.
And yes, I think it's possible that Seven of Nine was such an "heir apparent" drone, which would explain why she was stored in a special compartment deep at the center of her cube in "Scorpion, Part II," and why she was more high-functioning than most drones even before her severing from the Collective.
^I agree; the Borg Queen was just a physical manifestation of the Collective's will.
--Sran
I'd add that whatever remained of Sedin's essence might be considered the Borg Queen.
--Sran
^Yes, but the distinction between "the Borg Queen" and "the Borg Collective" is meaningless. A hive mind isn't a person ruling over a bunch of other people, it's a single unified consciousness made up of all the constituent minds. The personality that we think of as "the Borg Queen," the controlling will behind all the drones, exists inside every drone at once, not just inside the body that looks like a bald woman in fetish gear.
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i was just wondering if she died and if there was no trace of her at all , no backups anything what would all the drones and cubes do? plz
Probably whatever they did before the Queen came along. She comes from Species 125, meaning they experienced 124 species before they even had a Queen.
Unless the Borg Collective consisted of at least 125 species from day one… a Federation where an experiment went horribly wrong and all of its members became part of the collective.
This is, of course, the correct and only answer.
I interpret it as meaning that that particular Queen body came from Species 125. Again, the Queen is basically a program that's hosted by various interchangeable drone bodies as needed. That's why she's repeatedly come back from the dead.
Why do the Borg even have a queen? Their minds are one so why the need to take orders from one drone?
++ The Borg in "Q Who" were terrifying with their complete, utter detachment in dealing with others and their monolithic, non-hierarchical mindset. TNG followed up with Picard being taken as a liason and Hugh the outcast, neither of which really contradicted that. After that I don't know what the hell happened.
Really, they don't. It's not Queen in the sense of a monarch, but more by analogy with a queen bee or ant, at least loosely. A queen bee doesn't "command" a hive, but just serves a central role in its reproduction and social structure. She's just one part of the collective mechanism, playing her role like every other member of the hive. But it's a role that the hive couldn't survive without.
As I mentioned above, I like to think of the Borg Queen as analogous to the frontal lobe of the human brain. It's one part of the larger whole, but it's the part that coordinates the activity of the whole and gives it direction and volition. Take out that part and the other parts still operate, but they do so aimlessly and without a unifying will.
Come to think of it, TOS already gave us a pretty exact parallel for the structure of the Borg Collective: the androids of "I, Mudd." Each android was just one drone directed by a central computer, and Norman was the Coordinator, the node that regulated the activity of the others. Norman was not the central computer himself, but shutting him down shut the others down, because he was the nexus of the computer's communication with and direction of its android drones. Essentially, Norman was the Queen.
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