What was the IRS for?
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In all honesty, not sure they or we can reconcile that.
But then again, have they truly said that x and y will definitely happen or is it more a case of x and y will happen in a vague and not so fully informed way.
There is a difference between you will meet the girl of your dreams, this is her name and this is how you will meet her, and hearing, you will one day meet the girl of your dreams.
The Prophets don't "see" the future, they exist in it, experiencing all time as one. And we have seen that their perception of/access to time does encompass multiple realities. The wormhole provided access to the Mirror Universe at least once. They folded Akorem Laan back into history and somehow created an alternate past that was merged with the original past so that people remembered both. And the novels have shown Sisko having a wormhole vision in which he communes with multiple alternate selves.
The future is a set of probabilities. Seeing the future is not so much about knowing a fixed event will occur as it is about recognizing the shape of the probabilities. And some outcomes are more probable than others. The Prophets exist throughout the river of time and perceive its total geography. They can tell which futures represent the main flow of the river and which are tributaries and eddies.
The future is a set of probabilities. Seeing the future is not so much about knowing a fixed event will occur as it is about recognizing the shape of the probabilities. And some outcomes are more probable than others. The Prophets exist throughout the river of time and perceive its total geography. They can tell which futures represent the main flow of the river and which are tributaries and eddies.
OTOH, a couple of things from that future have been shown to be consistent with other glimpses of the future--notably the uniform and communicator styles which originated in that episode.
But only with "alternate-future" storylines, since it was cheaper to reuse the props and costumes than make new ones. The actual uniform redesigns that have come along since AGT seem to be going in a wholly different direction.
They were in "Endgame" too, as sucessors to the First Contact uniforms. "Endgame", which is indisputably the original/correct/whatever timeline.
I guess in the bizarre reverse-continuity world of Trek, those alternate early 25th century uniforms are an uglified rehash of the Starfleet uniforms of the 2230's. Retro is cool again. Again.
Not really, Endgame had the future uniforms after the black/grey ones where seen throughout latter DS9, some Voyager episodes and the last three Next Gen films. In that case, there is a possibility that the future uniforms seen in All Good Things, The Visitor and Endgame may actually occur.
I personally always thought that the whole Romulan situation post Nemesis was leading into the situation between the Romulans and Klingons and no more neutral zone seen in AGT.
Quick question, is the Countdown comic regarded as canon, or just the film. I ask because I want to know whether we're going to undergo yet another
uniform change, I like the current version.
I would also like to get back on track and say that I am disappointed that the IRS plot was resolved so relatively quickly. Donatra would have made a fantastic ongoing character and I figured that something similar would happen, with Tal'aura dead replaced by someone sane and competent, but that there would be a reconciliation with Donatra bringing the IRS back into the Empire while retaining the title of Empress. This would have raised the potential for internal conflict in the Empire with Praetor obligated to honor the Typhon Pact agreement, and Donatra favouring closer ties with the Khitomer Alliance powers.
Still, I'm sanguine about the potential for the current storyline (both senses of the word)
uniform change, I like the current version.I would also like to get back on track and say that I am disappointed that the IRS plot was resolved so relatively quickly. Donatra would have made a fantastic ongoing character and I figured that something similar would happen, with Tal'aura dead replaced by someone sane and competent, but that there would be a reconciliation with Donatra bringing the IRS back into the Empire while retaining the title of Empress. This would have raised the potential for internal conflict in the Empire with Praetor obligated to honor the Typhon Pact agreement, and Donatra favouring closer ties with the Khitomer Alliance powers.
Still, I'm sanguine about the potential for the current storyline (both senses of the word)
The film's screenwriters, who also wrote the story premise of Countdown, have acknowledged that it is not canonical.
However, Star Trek Online has chosen to incorporate it into their version of the continuity (and vice-versa, because the uniforms appearing in Countdown are the ones designed for STO). It's a prominent enough story that it might be deemed worthy of referencing regardless of its "canon" status (something that isn't remotely as important as fans tend to think it is). To date, the novels have shown no indication of following Countdown's lead, but I don't think any definitive contradictions have arisen yet either, so if there were some future editorial or executive decision to incorporate Countdown, or at least aspects of it, into the novelverse, it could still happen.
You mean, you're both confident about its potential and have a ruddy complexion because of it?
One of my friends keeps insisting that Vulcan as seen in TOS is New Vulcan, and there is no major conflict between the most recent movie and the original timeline, only very minor changes.
One of my friends keeps insisting that Vulcan as seen in TOS is New Vulcan, and there is no major conflict between the most recent movie and the original timeline, only very minor changes.
Amok Time said:
That should shoot down your friend's theory.
Not to mention an Enterprise ("no bloody A . . .") at least twice the size it was in TOS, almost brand new when Kirk takes command, and looking like an intermediate stage between TOS and TMP, built intact in (and launched intact from) Iowa, instead of being assembled in orbit from unit components built in California.
Personally, I think both the Hobus hyper-supernova and the delays in getting "red matter" to it in time to stop it, were yet another attack by the Sphere-Builders, part of the Temporal Cold War. (Where is Daniels when you need him?!?)
Personally, I think both the Hobus hyper-supernova and the delays in getting "red matter" to it in time to stop it, were yet another attack by the Sphere-Builders, part of the Temporal Cold War. (Where is Daniels when you need him?!?)
You mean, you're both confident about its potential and have a ruddy complexion because of it?
[/QUOTE]Sorry, poor grammar use, I meant that I see a great deal of potential for blood in the future of the empire.
So you're sanguine about its sanguinary potential.
^ As is Dr. San Guinary.
IRS?
There's no use for the Internal Revenue Service!
Sorry, couldn't resist....
There's no use for the Internal Revenue Service!
Sorry, couldn't resist....
Yes.
Daniels couldn't change a lightbulb, let alone repair a timeline.
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