How, exactly, is bleeding Kyber Crystals dumb?
What was Palpatine's original plan for Naboo?
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How, exactly, is bleeding Kyber Crystals dumb?
Folks, I reopened this thread after a day and got into a para-canon spiral! 
Honestly, I like the simplest explanation. The Jedi were a nuisance and had to be eliminated. Maul fails, but Palpatine still manages to turn Padmé's arrival to his advantage. Plus, there's the bonus of Anakin (whom Palpatine knew nothing about and had no involvement in his birth).
If it was all the will of the Force, fine... so be it...
Honestly, I like the simplest explanation. The Jedi were a nuisance and had to be eliminated. Maul fails, but Palpatine still manages to turn Padmé's arrival to his advantage. Plus, there's the bonus of Anakin (whom Palpatine knew nothing about and had no involvement in his birth).
If it was all the will of the Force, fine... so be it...
Gunray hadn't experienced a Jedi before. Palpatine probably hoped they would go for a more direct, shoot them approach, rather than gas them. They did have enough firepower (droids) on the ship to eventually overwhelm two Jedi if they kept going for Gunray. Palpatine didn't seem to know the Chancellor had sent two Jedi, so he would not know which Jedi were sent. Qui-Gon might have been more capable than others, and Obi-wan seems to have managed fairly well even as a padawan.
The Jedi already believed the Sith were nonexistent.
I imagine getting the Jedi in a situation where they had to respond with violent force was enough for what he needed. Once the situation is composed of people fighting instead of people talking, the chances of a lasting peaceful resolution to the dispute have to be dramatically reduced.
Yes, but does that mean the Force acting under the direction of the will of the Force, or the Force acting under the direction of a Sith? Either way it's the Force.
Bleeding isn't dumb at all.
The dark side of the force is all about corruption. Kyber crystals are attuned to the force, the Sith corrupt the crystals as show of their power over the force, bending it to their will.
It's a way more interesting concept then the Sith using synthetic crystals like they did in Legends.
Not according to George Lucas himself.
The dark side knocks the force out of balance, it's unnatural, a cancer, corruption.
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Incorrect. The dark side is a fundamental part of the Force. The Force in balance includes the dark side ( as reiterated by Episode VIII ). Lucas never described it as a cancer, that was random internet trolls making shit up. It is not the existence of the dark side that knocks the Force out of balance, it is the actions of Sith who developed the ability to unbalance the Force.
You’re completely correct.
George has used the word cancer when describing the sith, but not in the way I or other fans have mistakenly used it.
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I wouldn't put much stock in what Palpatine did and did not claim and/or insinuate. He's a master liar and half-truther. An unreliable narrator that would leave even the likes of Hondo in awe!
Even if one were to subscribe to the idea that Plagueis had a direct hand in Anakin's conception; the point still stands that if either of them knew specifically who Anakin was and where he was, there's no way in hell that he's not getting scooped up by one of them. There's no advantage to leaving him out in the wild where some random Jedi might find and train him.
It's also worth remembering in all of this that force visions are kind of notoriously lacking when it comes to context and details, and almost always subject to change. Always in motion is the future. One might even argue that Palpatine's increasing reliance on them is what ultimately led to his downfall.
And another note on Palpatine's foresight: it took him almost FOUR YEARS to connect the dots between Luke and Anakin. When he finally made that call to Vader to reign him in, it's pretty clear he's lethargic and more than a little out of it. I'd interpret that as him just coming out of deep meditation to try and figure out what Vader was up to. If it took that long and that much effort, than his foresight is really not what one would call omniscient.
Also the number of people wielding one side or the other is neither here nor there. It's about the extent of the dark side's influence across all life in the galaxy. The more people that succumb to fear, that give in to anger and hatred, the stronger the dark side grown and the more the force itself falls out of balance.
Another factor that people often seem to fail to grasp is that the dark side isn't intrinsically evil, but it attracts evil people like moths to flames. The light side doesn't have the same problem because unlike the dark it's selfless by it's very nature. Light side wielders don't get stuck in that same selfish feedback loop the way dark siders do; it will always seek balance.
Even if one were to subscribe to the idea that Plagueis had a direct hand in Anakin's conception; the point still stands that if either of them knew specifically who Anakin was and where he was, there's no way in hell that he's not getting scooped up by one of them. There's no advantage to leaving him out in the wild where some random Jedi might find and train him.
It's also worth remembering in all of this that force visions are kind of notoriously lacking when it comes to context and details, and almost always subject to change. Always in motion is the future. One might even argue that Palpatine's increasing reliance on them is what ultimately led to his downfall.
And another note on Palpatine's foresight: it took him almost FOUR YEARS to connect the dots between Luke and Anakin. When he finally made that call to Vader to reign him in, it's pretty clear he's lethargic and more than a little out of it. I'd interpret that as him just coming out of deep meditation to try and figure out what Vader was up to. If it took that long and that much effort, than his foresight is really not what one would call omniscient.
The rather fundamental (and rather simple minded) mistake people make with that assertion is to assume that the Jedi and the Sith are both embodiment of the light and dark respectively. They are not.
Also the number of people wielding one side or the other is neither here nor there. It's about the extent of the dark side's influence across all life in the galaxy. The more people that succumb to fear, that give in to anger and hatred, the stronger the dark side grown and the more the force itself falls out of balance.
Another factor that people often seem to fail to grasp is that the dark side isn't intrinsically evil, but it attracts evil people like moths to flames. The light side doesn't have the same problem because unlike the dark it's selfless by it's very nature. Light side wielders don't get stuck in that same selfish feedback loop the way dark siders do; it will always seek balance.
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Right, that would be the balance of the Force-users as opposed to the balance of the Force.
Anakin fulfilled the Chosen One prophecy when he turned on Palpatine to save Luke.
However, as is the case with Mythic storytelling, things are circular and when the balance was once again upset, we saw the emergence of Ben/Kylo and Rey as a Force Dyad and Rey rising up to defeat Palpatine yet again.
However, as is the case with Mythic storytelling, things are circular and when the balance was once again upset, we saw the emergence of Ben/Kylo and Rey as a Force Dyad and Rey rising up to defeat Palpatine yet again.
That is the nature of mythology. Evil will come again.
Also, Stephen King novels.
Exactly.
The cyclical and mythic note that The Rise of Skywalker ultimately delivered with Palpatine's return and defeat at Rey's hand is also the reason why it's my favorite film in the Star Wars franchise overall and my favorite Skywalker Saga film specifically.
You're giving JJ Abrams waaay too much credit. There's no way he had that tthought in mind.
It's really a question of framing.
One person might call it a "ripoff", another might say "it's like poetry, it rhymes".
Whether of his own volition or through working with others, Abrams' two contributions to Star Wars are very much entrenched in the Mythic tradition that George Lucas started (even though you have to stop and think about The Force Awakens' contributions to the 'ubermyth'); that's just a fact.