What story elements would you remove or just forget exist from canon?
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It clearly wasn't a crime in TNG's Unnatural Selection and they were basically creating X-Men with telepathy, telekinesis and a healing factor. There's also zero reason why something that can improve humanity should be outright banned, Khan and the augments trying to take over the world is a very weak argument against it. Like I said before if they banned every technology that has been abused before there'd not be any technology left.
And the "it went horribly wrong and led to a war with many people dying" line of thinking doesn't work either, because the same is true for first contact with the klingons but did they ban contact with the Klingons? No, they tried again and again (more careful and adapting their protocols) until relations eventually improved.
I can understand that they wanted a counterplayer for Data (and Picard in the final scene) and that for that reason they introduced the Queen.
But it still ruined the concept of the Borg, yes. The biggest scare factor (to me) was that it was a faceless horde, with no-one really to talk to, just a group consciousness that you simply couldn't reason with, that didn't even acknowledge concepts that were out of its groupthink, such as death, or why species would want to resist assimilation in the first place.
But it still ruined the concept of the Borg, yes. The biggest scare factor (to me) was that it was a faceless horde, with no-one really to talk to, just a group consciousness that you simply couldn't reason with, that didn't even acknowledge concepts that were out of its groupthink, such as death, or why species would want to resist assimilation in the first place.
But screwing with genetics can cause a host other problems, as "Unnatural Selection" proved conclusively.
I'm definitely of the mindset that certain things should be left alone.
And that didn't work out very well, did it? Darwin's little genetic games (ironic that the station was named after a fellow whose theory was based on the notion that species improved themselves naturally and over time) killed 26 people, and sentenced those kids to a life on isolation.
Uh... it's really not.
And the protocols should involve fixing problems, not custom-designing your kids as pint-sized Mary Sues.
And I'm with you. Some genies should not leave their bottles.
The children in that episode were created at what seemed to be an official research station. Things can be illegal for private entities to do, but government can allow either itself or someone working on their behalf to do those things legally. It’s illegal for anyone to possess nuclear material, but the US government can allow General Electric and Lockheed Martin to possess it while doing research on its behalf.
That’s my guess as to how you make “Unnatural Selection” fit with the ban. And DS9 asserts the ban is targeted more at individuals and their families, to deter people like Bashir’s parents from experimenting on their own children.
That’s also a justification for why a ban makes sense in-universe: parents would be forcing life choices on children that would have no say on the matter. That’s what fuels Bashir’s resentment towards his parents, since they didn’t accept him to be who he was and forced a new identity onto him. Arguably, a real-world equivalent would be parents “fixing” their gay child, or forcing a gender on a child.
They were always "zombies".
It was mentioned above, the Borg Queen.
That kind of ruined the Borg. (opinion)
No more Borg that is a faceless enemy that is ruthless and you can't negotiate with, she came in with personality and chatted with the crew.
And then.... in the end of 'First Contact' when she was destroyed all the Borg around her started twitching and apparenty weren't a threat anymore.
The "one for all and all for one trick", destroy the big baddie and all the other baddies go away with the big baddie.
That kind of ruined the Borg. (opinion)
No more Borg that is a faceless enemy that is ruthless and you can't negotiate with, she came in with personality and chatted with the crew.
And then.... in the end of 'First Contact' when she was destroyed all the Borg around her started twitching and apparenty weren't a threat anymore.
The "one for all and all for one trick", destroy the big baddie and all the other baddies go away with the big baddie.
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home - "They're still using money. We've got to find some." And - "Don't' tell me they don't use money in the twenty-third century." "Well, they don't."
Three lines and then Roddenberry RAN with it. When just one movie before McCoy had MONEY. And also lots of other examples in TOS. To say nothing of Encounter at Farpoint.
Three lines and then Roddenberry RAN with it. When just one movie before McCoy had MONEY. And also lots of other examples in TOS. To say nothing of Encounter at Farpoint.
If I remember right, the original conception for the Borg was for them to be an insect race, but because of budget reasons they couldn't do that. So basically the Borg in their initial appearances are supposed to be a giant ant colony in space working and gathering resources towards the goals of the collective.
That's why in their original appearance in TNG's "Q Who" there's no indication that they assimilate individuals, and the away teams finds Borg babies with cybernetic implants.
But we saw assimilation in the second time we saw the Borg, long before the movie you mentioned in the post I quoted.
And I always found it more...less absurd than the way they portrayed the Borg, with those babies in Q Who, which I think should qualify as a WTF in this thread.
We see Picard being assimilated in BoBW, but it seems to be a process that takes some time to do. Maybe this is just me, and admittedly this is me picking nits, but when they’re changing Picard’s skin color and fitting him with a new arm, I get the feeling that “assimilation” in BoBW is a special process that is not as easy as what we see later.
The entire nanites being injected by nanotubules that causes a person to be converted within minutes is something that First Contact creates, and makes it more like a zombie/vampire infection, all with the nanotubules being injected into the neck like a vampire bite.
The entire nanites being injected by nanotubules that causes a person to be converted within minutes is something that First Contact creates, and makes it more like a zombie/vampire infection, all with the nanotubules being injected into the neck like a vampire bite.
There is an arguement I think that the difference between Data and the Doctor is that Data is the first/only sentient artificial being compressed into a human sized processor vs the Doctor having the full ship's resources.
20 years ago there was still terabyte storage media, for example, but it would need a power source and would be lucky to fit in a backpack (the doctor) whereas we now have it on a keyring sized USB (Data)
20 years ago there was still terabyte storage media, for example, but it would need a power source and would be lucky to fit in a backpack (the doctor) whereas we now have it on a keyring sized USB (Data)
Wish they would introduce another species based on the original concept for the Borg!
It's been more than six months since the SNW's first season?
The second US Civil War. Don't give the people itching for one validation.
The second US Civil War. Don't give the people itching for one validation.
I was fascinated (like a car crash) that Jan 6th lead directly to the Eugenics Wars. I want to hear THAT timeline! I'm sure it's very reasonable and makes total sense.
Xindi-Insectoid?