What Should The U.S. (and the west) Do About Syria?

[DimesDan]

And the Arm-chair general strikes again......

the US may have sanctions against assassinating foreign leaders but the UK may not. let the SBS or the SRR do it.

Oh please, most treaties signed by the big boys we've signed aswell. Hell, we pretty much wrote the book on Human Rights and what can and can't be conducted in a war zone. If it was ever known that a British sanctioned hit squad took out a head of state, the repercussions which could be leveled against us is something I'm not willing to even think about.

We'd no doubt be regarded as a rouge state, we'd be tossed out of Europe (a very bad thing), we'd be tossed out of NATO (again, a very bad thing), we'd be tossed off the Security Council (yet again, a bad thing) and have massive trade embargoes against us. And do you want to know which country I reckon will be pushing for most of that? The United States of America, followed by Russia and then China.

we should take out dictators any where and every where they show up. make it a losing propostion. you start that shit and next thing you know, you're lying on the floor with a 7.62mm hole between your eyes. see who decides to be a dictator then.

But where does it end General? I mean sure, take out Assad, then what, do we take out Putin because he rigged the Russian election a few months ago, do the Germans have the right to assassinate the Greek, Irish or Spanish leaders because of the Euro Crisis? Hell, does the EC then have the right to put a bullet to the head of Cameron? He wasn't actually elected in 2010 and he's been a complete wanker towards his own people and Europe. So tell me, where does it end General?

and that's not being an arm chair general and playing too much COD, that's being someone who believes in right and wrong and that bombing the shit out of your own people and torturing people and 'disappearing' people is wrong and should be punished with the heavy end of the hammer.

It's a very skewed version of right and wrong then General. Two wrongs don't make a right and taking out Assad won't make things suddenly all better.

maybe 'we' shouldn't be the world's policeman, but considering the UN's got as many teeth as a fucking chicken and is about as much use as a fucking inflatable dartboard, someone ought to do it.

This I agree on.

 

[horatio83]

Why should I take your remarks on Bahrain seriously? I too deplored Bahraini suppression by violence of a popular movement, even to the point of advocating the US withdrawal of its naval base. US, Qatari and Saudi support for armed attacks by Sunnis is not the Arab Spring but an attempt to divide the people, then misuse them for their own nefarious agenda. The irrelevance of the Arab Spring to Syria is proved by the desire to launch attacks on the Syrian people. Bombing people is not helping them, starting wars is not helping them. Bombing people is hurting them, starting wars is hurting them. What on earthe do you have against the people of Syria?

The vision of Greater Croatia which required ethnic cleansing of Serbs is not one bit more jingoistic than Greater Serbia. The assumption that somehow Milosevic wasn't just as much a democrat and a jingo as Tudjman is absurd. And Milosevic was more democratic than Izetbegovic who wanted to take over a "country" as representative of a minority, not even a plurality!

Also, Yugoslavia should have stayed a united socialist country, which isn't jingo at all. Supporting the US right to exercise capital punishment on whatever country or persons it wishes, is.

On the other hand, sickness in the family is getting on my nerves, and I'm not using tact. Nonetheless, the fact remains that you want to support the people who carried out the massacre at Houla as an act of democratic humanitarianism. Something is horribly deranged.

Once again you are attacking strawmen, I never said that I am for any foreign interference in the case of Syria. Actually I said the very opposite.
About your other lie, I already pointed out that the Bosnians were the only ones who still stuck to the socialist idea of Yugoslavia while all the other former Yugoslav republics went down the nationalist road.

Sickness is indeed your problem. Pretending that Assad and Milosevic are democrats is pretty sick and pretending to be on the side of the Syrian people while you side with their oppressor is just totally twisted.
I have nothing more to say to you. Perhaps one day you will read reports about the shelling of Sarajevo or the mass rapes in Bosnia and realize you error.

 

[BillJ]

And do you want to know which country I reckon will be pushing for most of that? The United States of America, followed by Russia and then China.

I think you overestimate how much the U.S. would frown on your government if it took out al-Assad.