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What Should The U.S. (and the west) Do About Syria?

Knight Templar

Commodore
It seems that there are few good options. Especially as almost any of them will hurt relations with the Russians. But it disgusts me that the U.S. and other western nations stand idly by while a tyrant brutalizes his own people.
 
Nobody in the West gave a shit when their dear friend Mubarak was toppled last year, nobody in the West gave a shit when their friends the Saudis crushed the Shiite protests in Bahrain but everybody gets a moral erection when the seemingly nice guy Assad turns out to be no better than this father? Please.
As long as the Russians and the Chinese have no interest in agreeing to any UN sanctions all the West as well as the Arab League can do is soft stuff. Condemn the actions, freeze the foreign assets of the Assad regime and consider other economic sanctions.
 
Nobody in the West gave a shit when their dear friend Mubarak was toppled last year, nobody in the West gave a shit when their friends the Saudis crushed the Shiite protests in Bahrain but everybody gets a moral erection when the seemingly nice guy Assad turns out to be no better than this father? Please.
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Why should it matter what the west did about other tyrants?

Does it make the victims of Assad any less dead?

Where in foreign policy is it written that the U.S. or other western nations have to be fair and even handed in dealing with other nations?
 
Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Look to your own borders. Find a way to protect the rest of us English speakers from China.
 
find al-assad and drop a 500lb Paveway on him. or stick a Hellfire into his limo.

should've fragged his air defences and then fragged every damn tank and artillery piece in the country as soon as he started shelling towns.
 
find al-assad and drop a 500lb Paveway on him. or stick a Hellfire into his limo.

should've fragged his air defences and then fragged every damn tank and artillery piece in the country as soon as he started shelling towns.

Nice option.

I mean, seriously, it's brilliant. Causing a massive international incident with other Nuclear nations, ones who have blocked all attempts at a diplomatic solution to this problem is just shear brilliance.

I guess the ensuring Nuclear winter would off set global warming and the reduction in the population of the more developed nations would stop some of the other problems we'll be having soon regarding over population and feeding everyone.
 
Just take steps to make sure it doesn't spill outside Syrian borders.
 
find al-assad and drop a 500lb Paveway on him. or stick a Hellfire into his limo.

should've fragged his air defences and then fragged every damn tank and artillery piece in the country as soon as he started shelling towns.

Nice option.

I mean, seriously, it's brilliant. Causing a massive international incident with other Nuclear nations, ones who have blocked all attempts at a diplomatic solution to this problem is just shear brilliance.

I guess the ensuring Nuclear winter would off set global warming and the reduction in the population of the more developed nations would stop some of the other problems we'll be having soon regarding over population and feeding everyone.

No one is going to use nuclear weapons on behalf of the Assad regime.
 
I think sadly whatever we do it'll turn out to be the wrong decision, or at least it'll seem to be wrong.

Syria isn't Libya, it has way better armed forces/air defences. It was relatively easy to disrupt Gaddafi's forces to provide the rebels with the room to manover and the cover to press on. The same wouldn't be an option in Syria without significanly more effort, and probably boots on the ground. Also whereas Libya had a sort of unified opposition, the same isn't true of Syria.

I think it's gonna get a whole lot worse there :(
 
Qatar and Saudi Arabia are funding military assaults against Assad, and have been for some time. As in Afghanistan, this may have been very early on, early enough to be plausible as a major cause of the violence.

In any event, attacking the people of Syria is not liberating them. Murdering Assad is not liberating them. The proposition that "we" should go around bombing countries whose rulers we dutifully hate whenever the media demonize them is bigoted in the extreme. Imagine that Syria was a white Christian country, like Georgia in the Caucasus. Then when the dictatorial leader starts shelling towns people don't get upset.

Trying to move beyond mindless hate, there is the question of what kind of people are fighting the Damascus regime. The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung recently demonstrated what common sense suggested, namely, it was the Sunni rebels who carried out the recent massacre in Houla intended to justify another violent assault on a Muslim country. (It was common sense because it was the rebels who had their story ready, whereas if the government had carried out the massacre, they would have had their version ready.)

Supporting mass murderers is in no wise a humanitarian act. Instead of being rooted in compassion it is rooted in Christian bigotry against Muslims. The US should withdraw its naval base from Qatar, break relations with the abominable Saudi monarchy and keep its bloody hands off.
 
Nothing to be done but help the people who manage to flee, I'm afraid.

This is it pretty much. Nowadays no matter what we do we end up looking like the bad guys, and I'm tired of playing the worlds police force. Offer diplomatic assistence and whatever humanitarian aid that we can, and hope for the best.
 
Qatar and Saudi Arabia are funding military assaults against Assad, and have been for some time. As in Afghanistan, this may have been very early on, early enough to be plausible as a major cause of the violence.

In any event, attacking the people of Syria is not liberating them. Murdering Assad is not liberating them. The proposition that "we" should go around bombing countries whose rulers we dutifully hate whenever the media demonize them is bigoted in the extreme. Imagine that Syria was a white Christian country, like Georgia in the Caucasus. Then when the dictatorial leader starts shelling towns people don't get upset.

Trying to move beyond mindless hate, there is the question of what kind of people are fighting the Damascus regime. The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung recently demonstrated what common sense suggested, namely, it was the Sunni rebels who carried out the recent massacre in Houla intended to justify another violent assault on a Muslim country. (It was common sense because it was the rebels who had their story ready, whereas if the government had carried out the massacre, they would have had their version ready.)

Supporting mass murderers is in no wise a humanitarian act. Instead of being rooted in compassion it is rooted in Christian bigotry against Muslims. The US should withdraw its naval base from Qatar, break relations with the abominable Saudi monarchy and keep its bloody hands off.
A communist quoting a conservative newspaper. Just when you thought there is nothing new under the sun somebody surprises you.
Seriously, what happens in Syria is not Western imperialism, Christian bigotry or Sunni neighbours taking over the country. What happens in Syria is the Arab Spring, people rising up against their authoritarian government. Sometimes these folks are oppressed Shiites like in Bahrain, sometimes these folks are oppressed Sunnis like in Syria.
I fail to understand how you could seriously side with Assad (and no, I am not saying that the opposition forces are pure). Guess that's the little Stalinist in you speaking.
 
Nobody in the West gave a shit when their dear friend Mubarak was toppled last year, nobody in the West gave a shit when their friends the Saudis crushed the Shiite protests in Bahrain but everybody gets a moral erection when the seemingly nice guy Assad turns out to be no better than this father? Please.
.

Why should it matter what the west did about other tyrants?

Does it make the victims of Assad any less dead?

Where in foreign policy is it written that the U.S. or other western nations have to be fair and even handed in dealing with other nations?

Okay. But where in foreign policy is it written that we must interfere in every nation's business? This is the Arab spring, bringing united states soldiers or weapons into the situation won't stop anyone from dying, it could actually increase fatalities. There is no real way the United States or any western nation could interfere that wouldn't do more damage in the end. The one thing we can't do is damage or weaken our relationship with a friend (bad friend) that has just as many or more the nuclear weapons we do. The one thing we don't need is another cold war, the U.S is struggling already.
 
Imagine that Syria was a white Christian country, like Georgia in the Caucasus. Then when the dictatorial leader starts shelling towns people don't get upset.

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I hope you remember the 1990s where the U.S. & NATO TWICE bombed a "white Christian country" (Serbia) in order to protect Muslims (Bosnians and Kosovars).

and if you want to argue that Serbians are not really "white Christians" I suggest you make that statement outside of Sijan Hall at the U.S. Air Force Academy.

Lance Sijan was a Serbian American who was the first Air Force Academy graduate to be awarded the Medal of Honor (postumously)
 
Leaving aside the question of whether we should intervene or not, since our relations with the Pakistanis have soured more than usual recently, we now have to largely resupply our forces in Afghanistan overland through Russia (ironic) and the Central Asian republics, so they essentially have us by the balls in terms of applying any serious sanctions (which would hurt the people more than the regime anyway) or taking military action in Syria... not that we could afford to or would have public support in the latter case.
 
Leaving aside the question of whether we should intervene or not, since our relations with the Pakistanis have soured more than usual recently, we now have to largely resupply our forces in Afghanistan overland through Russia (ironic) and the Central Asian republics, so they essentially have us by the balls in terms of applying any serious sanctions or taking military action in Syria... not that we could afford to or would have public support anyway in the latter case.

I'm tired of the U.S. bowing and scraping before the Pakistanis just to get their cooperation on fighting some terrorists or supplying our forces in Afghanistan.

Personally, I think the U.S. should consider serious military action against Pakistan if they continue to impede our operations in Afghanistan.

Or at the very least, threaten to stop supplying them with economic and military aid and instead transfer that aid to India.
 
and if you want to argue that Serbians are not really "white Christians" I suggest you make that statement outside of Sijan Hall at the U.S. Air Force Academy.

Lance Sijan was a Serbian American who was the first Air Force Academy graduate to be awarded the Medal of Honor (postumously)
What does being a "white Christian" have to do with being an honoured US Air Force Academy graduate? :wtf:
 
I'm tired of the U.S. bowing and scraping before the Pakistanis just to get their cooperation on fighting some terrorists or supplying our forces in Afghanistan.

Personally, I think the U.S. should consider serious military action against Pakistan if they continue to impede our operations in Afghanistan.

Or at the very least, threaten to stop supplying them with economic and military aid and instead transfer that aid to India.

a)
India has historically never been a big friend of the USA and there are a number of significant obstacles to change that in the future.

b)
India is no fucking help in regards to Afghanistan (or much anything else really where military is concerned).

c)
War with Pakistan is insanity!
 
Leaving aside the question of whether we should intervene or not, since our relations with the Pakistanis have soured more than usual recently, we now have to largely resupply our forces in Afghanistan overland through Russia (ironic) and the Central Asian republics, so they essentially have us by the balls in terms of applying any serious sanctions or taking military action in Syria... not that we could afford to or would have public support anyway in the latter case.

I'm tired of the U.S. bowing and scraping before the Pakistanis just to get their cooperation on fighting some terrorists or supplying our forces in Afghanistan.

Personally, I think the U.S. should consider serious military action against Pakistan if they continue to impede our operations in Afghanistan.

Or at the very least, threaten to stop supplying them with economic and military aid and instead transfer that aid to India.

That's genius. We're having enough trouble dealing with the Taliban, so why not double-down and attack a country that has all the best features of the Taliban along with a modern military and nuclear weapons!? I know your war is over, John Rambo, but by all means feel free to carry out your new insane wars on your own dime, your own time, and with your own life on the line.

Not to mention, while Pakistan is a corrupt regime, their grievances about the US violating their borders and conducting drone strikes on their territory are legitimate. The cause of taking out bin Laden and other terrorists may have been right, but that doesn't mean their complaint is wrong, especially when they have to appease the more radical elements of the government and populace just to maintain stability.

As far as India, do you see the disputed territory up in the world's tallest mountains in the map below? Notice how India doesn't connect to Afghanistan? That's why transferring our aid to India wouldn't serve the same purpose as it would in Pakistan.

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