What other things can we change for The Drooling Masses?

[ST-One]

How about this? It wa a change made for the sake of making a change with no logic or reason behind it other than "we need to upadate it make it look cool."

I *have* seen the image of the Enterprise.

And I don't like it. I don't see the need to have made the change and I think it was only changed to appeal to people who only go see movies for the cool effects and visual splendor. That kind of logic and thinking, to me, is not good. There was no need to change the classic design of the ship. NONE.

Well, if you really want to talk about TMP...

 

[Trekker4747]

Don't construe how the Transformers movie was tageted toward children. I thought it was trageted towards fans of the toys/cartoon/teens/young adults.

 

[ST-One]

But you yourself have admitting to thinking change was needed by adding detail and what not. At what point does change become "too much change"? 10%? 20?

Show me this arbitrary line in the sand so we shan't never cross it again.

Detail. Being different textures, more windows, more greebles and widgets. Like Vektor's work.

"Too much change" raidcally changing the entire look of the ship. Changing the porprotions of it, making the undercut more severe, etc.

I.E. "OK change" - the difference between the 1964 1/2 Mustang and 1966.

Radical/too much change. The difference between the 1964 1/2 mustand and the 2010 concept.

So, a movie of 2008 has to use a (slightly modified) design from 1965?

 

[ST-One]

Don't construe how the Transformers movie was tageted toward children. I thought it was trageted towards fans of the toys/cartoon/teens/young adults.

Also called 'children'.

 

[Dark Gilligan]

I thought it was trageted towards fans of the toys/cartoon/teens/young adults.

Exactly. Those would be children, and older ones now who were children back when they were fans. You're not suggesting that adults play with the toys and watch the cartoons, are you?

 

[Amaris]

I watched Transformers as a child (born in 1980). Loved it. Didn't pay attention to it for 20 years after that. The movie comes out, I wait for the DVD because I'm only remotely, slightly interested. Watched the movie, and enjoyed it very much. It was a lot of fun, and I'd happily watch the next one.

I present to you, the people J.J. wants to reach.

J.

 

[Squiggy]

Yup. Us Gen Xers are the people with money now old timers. Your time has passed! Get to the old folks home!!!!!

 

[ST-One]

It seem that William THE Kirk Shatner is also part of those drooling masses:

http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/22/sha...uss-enterprise-get-ready-for-shatcember-more/

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

You know, it is possible to voice an opinion without coming off like an arrogant, condescending asshole. Just a thought.

BTW, I'm a Star Trek fan of 30 years and loved Transformers and enjoy Dancing With the Stars. I also think the new Enterprise design looks pretty cool.

 

[The Wormhole]

Transformers was extremely true to its source material.

It was? I admit, I'm not the biggest Transformers expert around, but I was always under the impression that it was originally about two robot factions, the Autobots and the Decepticons waging epic war against each other.

Last year's movie seemed to be about a loser teenager trying to score with the popular girl at school, with some sort of military subplot and a stupid-ass hacker story thrown in which contributed nothing. Yes, that's faithful to the source.

Sadly, the unwashed masses lapped this up as though they were stranded in the desert and it was the only water source. It saddens me this has happened to Transformers, and sickens me to think something similar is about to happen to Star Trek.

 

[Captain Intrepid]

Transformers was extremely true to its source material.

It was? I admit, I'm not the biggest Transformers expert around, but I was always under the impression that it was originally about two robot factions, the Autobots and the Decepticons waging epic war against each other.

Last year's movie seemed to be about a loser teenager trying to score with the popular girl at school, with some sort of military subplot and a stupid-ass hacker story thrown in which contributed nothing. Yes, that's faithful to the source.

Sadly, the unwashed masses lapped this up as though they were stranded in the desert and it was the only water source. It saddens me this has happened to Transformers, and sickens me to think something similar is about to happen to Star Trek.

The source material being "transforming robots from space fight!!!!!!!11!!1!ONE!!!" it was pretty faithful.

 

[The Wormhole]

Transformers was extremely true to its source material.

It was? I admit, I'm not the biggest Transformers expert around, but I was always under the impression that it was originally about two robot factions, the Autobots and the Decepticons waging epic war against each other.

Last year's movie seemed to be about a loser teenager trying to score with the popular girl at school, with some sort of military subplot and a stupid-ass hacker story thrown in which contributed nothing. Yes, that's faithful to the source.

Sadly, the unwashed masses lapped this up as though they were stranded in the desert and it was the only water source. It saddens me this has happened to Transformers, and sickens me to think something similar is about to happen to Star Trek.

The source material being "transforming robots from space fight!!!!!!!11!!1!ONE!!!" it was pretty faithful.

I only remember two or three scenes of robot fights. A Transformers movie should be all about that. Exclusively. Let the humans be relegated to background roles, not the main focus of the movie.

Jeez, even Beast Machines was a more legitimate addition to the Transformers franchise than that movie.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

The thing that annoys me about "The Drooling Masses" is that it seems to curtail discussion about whether people actually like a certain change because it seems they're more concerned that it helps the bottom line. I guess it depends if you believe the continuation of the franchise itself matters more than what form it takes.

 

[Tom Servo]

Transformers was extremely true to its source material.

It was? I admit, I'm not the biggest Transformers expert around, but I was always under the impression that it was originally about two robot factions, the Autobots and the Decepticons waging epic war against each other.

Last year's movie seemed to be about a loser teenager trying to score with the popular girl at school, with some sort of military subplot and a stupid-ass hacker story thrown in which contributed nothing. Yes, that's faithful to the source.

Sadly, the unwashed masses lapped this up as though they were stranded in the desert and it was the only water source. It saddens me this has happened to Transformers, and sickens me to think something similar is about to happen to Star Trek.

Oh get off your fucking high horse and stop acting so condescending to those who liked the Transformers, and may like this Star Trek. My god listening to some people it sounds like they think they are adults talking to children. It's ridiculous. If you don't like it fine, but don't act like you are above us somehow just because you disagree with what you are seeing.

Its one thing to not like the plot line and discuss it, but the attitude displayed by some posters who don't like the film, to those who do like what they see is insane.

 

[Captain X]

 

[The Wormhole]

Oh get off your fucking high horse and stop acting so condescending to those who liked the Transformers, and may like this Star Trek. My god listening to some people it sounds like they think they are adults talking to children. It's ridiculous. If you don't like it fine, but don't act like you are above us somehow just because you disagree with what you are seeing.

Its one thing to not like the plot line and discuss it, but the attitude displayed by some posters who don't like the film, to those who do like what they see is insane.

I remember a time when being a Transformers fan meant something. If someone said they were a Transformers fan, then I knew they were someone with a fine taste for good television, fine storytelling, quality entertainment. I knew they honestly had a love for Transformers, and I respected that. They are true fans. Now because of this movie, we got slack-jawed yokels who think they can call themselves Transformers fan just because they liked a popular movie. These people are not Transformers fans, they are simply people who like a popular movie. The fact that they think they are fans is sick and cheapens what it means to be a Transformers fan.

Now take that paragraph, replace Transformers with Star Trek, and you know what I'll be saying after Trek XI is released.

 

[Tom Servo]

Har har. How have I been condescending to those who have legitimate criticisms about the show, things other then bitching about the new ship, the godforsaken canon, its being built on Earth, and other trivial things that have no bearing on whether this will be a good film or not? However, it seems that if we do not worship at the church of TOS, we are somehow stupid, and part of the "dumbed down masses."

 

[Sharr Khan]

The thing that annoys me about "The Drooling Masses" is that it seems to curtail discussion about whether people actually like a certain change because it seems they're more concerned that it helps the bottom line. I guess it depends if you believe the continuation of the franchise itself matters more than what form it takes.

But 'the bottom line' does matter, if a product lacks a broad appeal, its going to fall out of favor and not be bought anymore, even if said product has a specific appeal to a small group of people.

There are no drooling masses, or at least those the thread likely think of as such are probably very much more accurately called normal, mainstream people with daily lives and a desire to be entertained. I'm sure the notion that this movie might appeal to the 'everyday people' bugs more then a few "Trekkies" who want the club all for themselves and are busy extolling GR's "enlightened worldview" and or think Star Trek is actually our real future.

I say all this as a "Reformed Trekkie".

Sharr

 

[Blue_Ranger]

I remember a time when being a Transformers fan meant something. If someone said they were a Transformers fan, then I knew they were someone with a fine taste for good television, fine storytelling, quality entertainment. I knew they honestly had a love for Transformers, and I respected that. They are true fans. Now because of this movie, we got slack-jawed yokels who think they can call themselves Transformers fan just because they liked a popular movie. These people are not Transformers fans, they are simply people who like a popular movie. The fact that they think they are fans is sick and cheapens what it means to be a Transformers fan.

Now take that paragraph, replace Transformers with Star Trek, and you know what I'll be saying after Trek XI is released.

Transformers was a great movie. I watched the cartoon, had the toys and loved the movie.

I love TOS, I love the movies (most of them). And I will probably enjoy this movie. The preview has me excited

 

[Trekker4747]

And why does mainstream want to be entertained people need flashy pretty effects and sleek retroish designs? Why can't the classic deisgn be used?