What other things can we change for The Drooling Masses?

[Trekker4747]

Let me preface this by saying I've not made any "final judgement" on the movie. I'm slightly excited by it because it looks interesting but I'm having a hard time wedging it into my "feel for the franchise." It looks interesting and some promises, there's just stuff changed in it that doesn't work for me.

At this point I neither like or hate this movie.

I, and others, have been grumbling about some of the changes of this movie is making presumably in the name of making it suitable for wider audiances.

The general public won't like the dated/60s look of The Original Series ship design so they'd reject the movie. Solution? Redesign the ship to make it sleeker, kewler and niftier so that more people will like looking at it.

The look and design of the interior of the The Cage sets were too sixties. Solution? White, white, white and super-slick floors!

We need to make people feel "at home" with this series and universe so we need to see cornfields and cars racing away from the police!
The changes list goes on.

So what else can we change so that more people will like it, understand it and accept it?

The 23rd Century is too far away, people have no concept of "200 years from now." The movie should take place in the late 21st century. Say 2090 or something.

 

[Dark Gilligan]

Dude, your condescending attitude has really gotten old. You act as if true Star Trek fan are somehow above the 'drooling masses'. The fact is, hard-core Star Trek fans are laughed at, we have been for forty years, and your posts are showing exactly why. This is just a movie. If anyone thinks its more, well that's just sad.

 

[trekkerguy]

Hooooleeee shit each and every one of em is going to make a thread for themselves...

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Drooling masses?

Never underestimate your audience. They're generally sensitive, intelligent people who respond positively to quality entertainment.

 

[Squiggy]

Star Trek: The Only Science-Fiction franchise to be brought down by it's fans. (TM)

 

[Trekker4747]

Drooling masses?

Never underestimate your audience. They're generally sensitive, intelligent people who respond positively to quality entertainment.

Yet movies like "Transformers" and TV series like "Dancing With the Stars" are wildly popular.

 

[Photoman15]

Let me preface this by saying I've not made any "final judgement" on the movie. I'm slightly excited by it because it looks interesting but I'm having a hard time wedging it into my "feel for the franchise." It looks interesting and some promises, there's just stuff changed in it that doesn't work for me.

Your feeling for the franchise will turn into a sadness for the death of Star Trek if this movie does not do well. As long as it's a good story, if the outcome means the timeline has slightly altered, so be it.

I (a big canon lover) do not care if canon violations are made. Who cares if the ship looks more advanced than the 1960's low budget set. This movie is being made in 2008, not 1968, it better look better. Half of the technology envisioned back then for the future is already here, look at your cell phone.

 

[Sharr Khan]

This thread right here is a symptom of what's wrong with Star Trek, it or at least its fans have an elitist mentality which causes to make them assume they're smarter then the unwashed masses of none Trekkers.

None of its true of course, Trek doesn't make you more enlightened, and its not unique in any meaningful way from any other entertainment franchise though because both some of its fans and a few of its stewards (B&B and GR himself) have presumed so, it has grown stagnant and rigid in how it presents itself which lead to formula over heart and soul when it came to storytelling its one true reason for being.

Sharr

 

[Dark Gilligan]

Yet movies like "Transformers"...are wildly popular.

Transformers was very well done.

 

[Trekker4747]

How the movie does financially I couldn't care less about.

If I go in and see it and enjoy it I'll be happy and praise the movie. If I go in and don't enjoy it I'll pan it.

If I go in and enjoy it may make me able to look past the bigger, sillier, more needless changes. But they're still there. The ship was still changed when it didn't need to be. It was only changed to appeal to people who go see movies to go "OOOHHHHH KEWLLLL!!!! PURTY CGI!!!!"

 

[Squiggy]

It's a movie about transforming alien robots. Were you expecting Shakespeare?

 

[ST-One]

Drooling masses?

Never underestimate your audience. They're generally sensitive, intelligent people who respond positively to quality entertainment.

Yet movies like "Transformers" and TV series like "Dancing With the Stars" are wildly popular.

Escapism.

 

[Trekker4747]

Yet movies like "Transformers"...are wildly popular.

Transformers was very well done.

If "very well done" you mean a noisy mess of nonsense, rambling, lines, and its main, title, characters being background humor. Then, yeah. WTG Transformers!

 

[Sharr Khan]

Yet movies like "Transformers"...are wildly popular.

Transformers was very well done.

It was indeed - though, Transfans had similar reactions to the 'changes' which were made I think they've more or less settled down given that Transformers is a far more diverse canon then Trek has been up until now. That film was exactly what it should have been a crowd pleaser (shock horror mass appeal!) and fun to watch.

This Transformers movie hate is just part of the elitist syndrome. Trek by the way isn't that deep and often recycles pop psyche to give it the illusion of being such.

Sharr

 

[Balthier the Great]

This thread right here is a symptom of what's wrong with Star Trek, it or at least its fans have an elitist mentality which causes to make them assume they're smarter then the unwashed masses of none Trekkers.

None of its true of course, Trek doesn't make you more enlightened, and its not unique in any meaningful way from any other entertainment franchise though because both some of its fans and a few of its stewards (B&B and GR himself) have presumed so, it has grown stagnant and rigid in how it presents itself which lead to formula over heart and soul when it came to storytelling its one true reason for being.

Sharr

I like some of the stuff I've seen. The only beef I really have is that the new bridge looks like an Apple store in the mall to me. I don't like that look. The rest of it sounds pretty good. Nero looks like a good villian to me -- I hope he lives up to his image.


As long as the fans are doing this


to the image of TOS Trek, it won't draw any new fans. If the changes are good, go with them.





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[ST-One]

How the movie does financially I couldn't care less about.

If I go in and see it and enjoy it I'll be happy and praise the movie. If I go in and don't enjoy it I'll pan it.

If I go in and enjoy it may make me able to look past the bigger, sillier, more needless changes. But they're still there. The ship was still changed when it didn't need to be. It was only changed to appeal to people who go see movies to go "OOOHHHHH KEWLLLL!!!! PURTY CGI!!!!"

NO!
It was changed because it is FUCKING FORTY years old.


Will das nicht deinen Schädel?

 

[Peacemaker]

Trekker,

In TNZ a few months ago, you said that Hillary lost fair and square and those of us who didn't like that should get over it.

Now, here we are a few months later, and this isn't a version of Trek you seem to like. Take your own advice for a change...your vision of Trek lost, fair and square, get over it.

 

[Squiggy]

Yet movies like "Transformers"...are wildly popular.

Transformers was very well done.

If "very well done" you mean a noisy mess of nonsense, rambling, lines, and its main, title, characters being background humor. Then, yeah. WTG Transformers!

It. Was. TRANSFORMERS.

 

[Trekker4747]

How the movie does financially I couldn't care less about.

If I go in and see it and enjoy it I'll be happy and praise the movie. If I go in and don't enjoy it I'll pan it.

If I go in and enjoy it may make me able to look past the bigger, sillier, more needless changes. But they're still there. The ship was still changed when it didn't need to be. It was only changed to appeal to people who go see movies to go "OOOHHHHH KEWLLLL!!!! PURTY CGI!!!!"

NO!
It was change because it is FUCKING FORTY years old.


Will das nicht deinen Schädel?

What does the age of the design have to do with anything?

As I said in my other thread, a really good and detailed CGI model could've been made to give the old lady real grace, beauty and life and I can think of no reason why it wouldn't have worked on the big screen.

 

[ST-One]

Transformers was very well done.

If "very well done" you mean a noisy mess of nonsense, rambling, lines, and its main, title, characters being background humor. Then, yeah. WTG Transformers!

It. Was. TRANSFORMERS.

It wasn't my cup of tea either. But I guess I still will go see the next one