"What Kate Does" Live Commentary

[DarthPipes]

Ended up liking it. Wasn't crazy about it at first. It felt meandering and there's nothing that can be done to save Kate's character at this point. But there were a number of good scenes, a terrific performance by Josh Holloway, the return of Ethan, and the ending that pulled it through.

 

[Jetfire]

Only thing exciting about this was Clair at the end.

 

[Corran Horn]

Jungle-Jungle-Claire!

 

[Ryan8bit]

I was glad that they referenced the infection/sickness. It sorta sounds like contact with smokey is what brings this about. So is it possible that Ben has been infected as well?

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I had literally chalked the sickness up to Rousseau being crazy at this point (based on when I saw young Rousseau murder Robert). Before that scene, I had no idea what to expect and just thought they were going to drop it. Now it seems that it's back to being a notable part of the plot. It's a dramatic change and I'm curious to see what they do with this.

BTW, either they did plan out every little thing or somebody re-watched season 1 to find every loose end (honestly, either is equally plausible. I think they knew what the island was and what the smoke monster was, but I doubt they had every detail from when they established something). All they need is Adam and Eve and the whispering (and the obvious ones, of course) and I'll be happy.

 

[Fist McStrongpunch]

Here's something weird. According to Lostpedia, Claire's ultrasound in this ep is dated October 22, 2004. Flight 815 crashed on September 22, 2004.

3 possibilities:
-Kate's been chauffering Claire around for a month.
-New reality flight was a whole month later than original timeline version.
-Someone just fucked up. (Good money's on this one)

 

[Jenee]

So, Lost was still in the middle of the "Previously On Lost" bit when it occurred to me ...

Man in Black seems to be the bad guy while Jacob (in white) appears to be the good guy.

However, at the beginning of ... last season's finale, Jacob is the one bringing in ships and planes and whatever to continue with the ... fighting? killing? backstabbing? trying to keep the island's secrets for themselves? and MIB is tired of the game.

Leading us to believe from the beginning, that Jacob is the bad guy and MIB is the good guy. But, that drastically changes almost immediately and Jacob is seen as the good guy.

Previous to Jacob dying and taking Sayid to the temple, anyone 'near death' and being 'brought back', presumably from the spring, turns ... semi-evil. Someone said before that Ben was never the same, and we can assume Claire was taken to the spring prior to Jacob's death.

After Jacob's death, however, the water is no longer clear.

Something changed.

Can we assume everything changed?

Perhaps, the (new) others are wrong. Perhaps, newSayid isn't evil like Ben and Claire.

I'm finding with the storyline of Jacob and MIB, I have so much less interest in the Losties as they are all just pawns. It's the Jacob/MIB storyline that has me intrigued and any stories with the Losties is filler.

 

[MikeS]

I'm finding with the storyline of Jacob and MIB, I have so much less interest in the Losties as they are all just pawns. It's the Jacob/MIB storyline that has me intrigued and any stories with the Losties is filler.

Me too. But we got six seasons of "filler" and so far have five minutes (Teaser of The Incident) of J/MiB.

But we're still interested and watching. That's good writing in my eyes.

 

[Jenee]

I agree. But, what Kate does after the plane lands in LA is of no concern to me, unless ..., later they realize they can't/shouldn't change what happened and, I think that's going to have something to do with Jacob/MIB.

What does interest me is, newSayid/notLocke and what their actions are.

 

[Hober Mallow]

Previous to Jacob dying and taking Sayid to the temple, anyone 'near death' and being 'brought back', presumably from the spring, turns ... semi-evil.

Actually, we don't know this at all. All we know is what Richard said, that if he took Ben there he would "never be the same again," and he would "always be one of us." That's a far cry from saying he's going to turn evil.

Someone said before that Ben was never the same, and we can assume Claire was taken to the spring prior to Jacob's death.

We have no reason whatsoever to assume that. All we know is that Christian/Smokey took Claire in season four, and presumably "claimed" her then.

After Jacob's death, however, the water is no longer clear.

Something changed.

Can we assume everything changed?

Perhaps, the (new) others are wrong. Perhaps, newSayid isn't evil like Ben and Claire.

I'm finding with the storyline of Jacob and MIB, I have so much less interest in the Losties as they are all just pawns. It's the Jacob/MIB storyline that has me intrigued and any stories with the Losties is filler.

Whatever the larger conflict is between Smokey and Jacob, it seems pretty clear to me this has nothing to do with "good" or "evil" as we understand the concepts. The larger conflict of the series has always seemed to me to be fate vs. free will. We've seen that reflected in too many episode to count.

 

[Jenee]

Uh, well, the rest of your post is ... really not worth much discussion other than I disagree with most of it. But, this part, you obviously missed something.

Someone said before that Ben was never the same, and we can assume Claire was taken to the spring prior to Jacob's death.

We have no reason whatsoever to assume that. All we know is that Christian/Smokey took Claire in season four, and presumably "claimed" her then.

Jacob dies and ... I'd guess not to many, within a couple hours, tho, Sayid, Jack, et al show up at the temple and everyone is surprised the water has changed - leading us to believe this is a "new" phenomena.

Later, one of the others mentions that other people have been infected from the water - one of them was Jack's sister, Claire.

Since they didn't know the water had changed before Sayid came, and they did know Claire had been in that water, then she must have been in that water before it changed.

ETA: Oh, and we can assume from the final scene that Claire has been out on the island, in her present state, for quite a while.

 

[Hober Mallow]

Later, one of the others mentions that other people have been infected from the water - one of them was Jack's sister, Claire.

They didn't say that at all. The Other said that they think a darkness claimed Sayid and that a darkness had also claimed Claire. The water turning dark and not working right is a new phenomenon. Now that they know of Jacob's death and Smokey's running amok, they believed Smokey may have claimed him via the dark murky water. There's no indication at all that's how Claire was claimed, nor any indication that there's ever been a problem with the healing water before. The assumption, if we are to make one, is that the healing water is now under the control, either directly or indirectly, of Smokey, but only since the death of Jacob.

 

[Jenee]

Later, one of the others mentions that other people have been infected from the water - one of them was Jack's sister, Claire.

They didn't say that at all. The Other said that they think a darkness claimed Sayid and that a darkness had also claimed Claire.

Pretty sure they used the term "infected"

The water turning dark and not working right is a new phenomenon. Now that they know of Jacob's death and Smokey's running amok, they believed Smokey may have claimed him via the dark murky water. There's no indication at all that's how Claire was claimed, nor any indication that there's ever been a problem with the healing water before. The assumption, if we are to make one, is that the healing water is now under the control, either directly or indirectly, of Smokey, but only since the death of Jacob.

That's your assumption.

I'm still leaning toward my interpretation of events.

 

[Hober Mallow]

Later, one of the others mentions that other people have been infected from the water - one of them was Jack's sister, Claire.

They didn't say that at all. The Other said that they think a darkness claimed Sayid and that a darkness had also claimed Claire.

Pretty sure they used the term "infected"

Yes. You understand, don't you, that this has to do with the "sickness" that infected Rousseau's crew? We're finally getting some answers about this. None of them were bathed in the healing spring. At the time, we can presume the spring waters were clear and the pool was operating normally, so it wouldn't be a source of infection anyway.

 

[Jenee]

The only thing we know is that something about the spring is different.

We don't know an such thing about Rousseau's crew not being bathed in the spring.

The only thing we know, is that something is different.

Your speculations and mine are just that - speculations.

However, you are taking your speculations, as well as the show, a little too seriously. You should get outside a bit more often.

 

[Hober Mallow]

The only thing we know is that something about the spring is different.

We don't know an such thing about Rousseau's crew not being bathed in the spring.

Okay, we don't know, just like we don't know for sure that Sawyer secretly digs Eskimo men in drag, there's just zero evidence in the show to support either notion.

Come to think of it, this is Lost. They probably could pull off a plot twist like that.

 

[Jenee]

Dude.

I put up things I saw on the show that led me to think "this" way.

You came back with "YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. THAT'S SO STUPID. DIDN'T YOU SEE 'THIS', THIS, AND THIS,"

To which, I still (kinda) politely replied with "Well, we really don't know that." And "That's not what happened."

Now you want to get all "oh, yea, you're right. We don't know anything."

How old are you?

Are you completely incapable of discussing this?

 

[Hober Mallow]

Someone needs to, in the words of Hurley, "chill." Er... word of Hurley. Seriously.

Dude.

I put up things I saw on the show that led me to think "this" way.

You came back with "YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. THAT'S SO STUPID. DIDN'T YOU SEE 'THIS', THIS, AND THIS,"

Can you quote where I said anything was stupid? As for the "Didn't you see this and this..." it's called discussion. If you don't want that, I've leave you alone and not waste any more bandwidth having a discussion about discussion.

I think what bugs me the most is the promo tagline: "The time for questions ... is over."

Bullshit.

At least advertise the season as it is -- just as inexplicable as all the others.

What they left out of the promo is, "The time for answers, however, is not quite here yet." Doesn't sound as exciting.

 

[Starbreaker]

I think they're tricking us. The finale will end on a cliffhanger, and then they'll say:

ZOMG. J/K LOL. 7th season.

 

[Hober Mallow]

In their latest Podcast, Cuse and Lindelof answered the question about the different date on Claire's ultrasound machine. The answer is that the ultrasound machine was malfunctioning.

I love those guys.