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What is up with 'The Omega Glory'?

You get the sense that Kirk never leaves Earth like Heston in Planet of the Apes, or it's all a telepathic illusion or elaborate hoax. Kirk is always questioning the reality of the situation like in COEF or when he says 'right down to the carbon filaments in the prison bars' or some such. Or how about the line from TMP where Spock says 'All of this is V'ger'. What does that mean? - That none of it is real.


But they are not on Earth. I agree with the poster above who wrote that if there would have been a similar constitution and a similar flag for a society which was similar to a mash-up of the Cold War and American Independence movement, then that would have been fine. But the exact same flag and the exact same wording of the exact same constitution is just lame, lame, lame. It is lamer than two one-legged men trying to run a three-legged race while wearing My Little Pony T-shirts and discussing their favorite episode of That's So Raven.
 
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Trek always had a Twilight zone component to it. Just because the answer hasn't revealed itself, doesn't mean there isn't one. Trek was always very surreal. It probably all ties into the Talosians and Spock as usual. Only GR knows.
 
Trek always had a Twilight zone component to it. Just because the answer hasn't revealed itself, doesn't mean there isn't one. Trek was always very surreal. It probably all ties into the Talosians and Spock as usual. Only GR knows.


Interesting. Why not give this a try?
 
But the exact same flag and the exact same wording of the exact same constitution is just lame, lame, lame. It is lamer than two one-legged men trying to run a three-legged race while wearing My Little Pony T-shirts and discussing their favorite episode of That's So Raven.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
;)
 
One of Star Trek's finest episodes with a chilling performance by Morgan Woodward.

"...we killed thousands and they still came!"


I have no problem with an ancient alien race seeding several like planets that they constructed to watch the multiple paths humanity could take given the right circumstances.

It is science-fiction after all, not science-fact.:techman:
I agree with this statement.
The whole episode is a shit sandwich. :techman:

Easy way out! Easy way out! :rommie:

I do agree that if you wanted to reform/redo "The Omega Glory", you obviously have to get rid of all the American trappings up front...
It is unfair to judge a 1960s American television show by 21st century pan-global standards. It needs be judged in comparison to the time in which it was written. The United States/Yankees/Yangs was at war with Communism/Commies/Komms. The two belief systems were entirely committed to wiping out the other. In Vietnam, the US was facing seemingly overwhelming odds (as were the Yangs) yet believed "The American Way" was the right way. [Indeed, eventually communism did fall to democracy.]

"The Omega Glory" embodied the idealogical struggle going on in the world at that time. As such, the flag waving and reading of the Constitution was very appropriate for an American audience of the 1960s. As a youngster, I remember being very proud to be an American when I first saw "The Omega Glory"... which was the original intent of the episode.
 
The struggle against the Kohms seemed to be a big thing for these Yangs. Do you really believe that the Yangs now control the entire planet? That there are no Kohms fighting or holding territory anywhere? That's quite a stretch. Especially considering the Yangs are doing it with nothing more than spears. It would also make Cloud William the unquestioned ruler of Omega IV, since he holds the relics... which I find laughable.

You have to consider that we are comparing two hypotheses here. One, the village was a random location of a trivial strife. Two, the village was the final stage of a global play of carnage. We have a collection of evidence that fits both hypotheses - and we have a collection of coincidences necessary for the hypotheses. We have to decide which of the two is the more plausible, not merely which of the two fits the evidence.

In the first hypothesis, Tracey chooses this village at random. He ends up defending the village from local barbaric hordes that harbor local ancient secrets related to Earth. When the village succumbs, only a local culture is exterminated, and only a local culture triumphs.

The big coincidence here is that an Earthman would stumble onto a local subculture that harbors Earth secrets, out of all the possibilities. Why didn't Tracey go to one of the cities of the Germs, whose ancient struggle with the Brolgs is rooted in influences from Andoria? Or to the pastoral plains of the Hongs, who never met an alien from outer space?

In the second hypothesis, Tracey arrives at the village that in six months will be the last refuge of the global Kohm culture. Vast barbaric hordes, of ridiculous size to confront a villageful of the spear-wielding Kohms we see, converge on that village because they are needed to defeat Tracey's phasers. It's no wonder that Tracey would pick this special village, when his other alternative is the nomadic realm of the Yangs where no villages or other familiar sweet spots for cultural contact are to be found.

The biochemical warfare of the past was definitely global. While there may have been more players globally than just the Kohms and Yangs, the easiest hypothesis in terms of coincidences is that the village lifestyle indeed only survives in this one very special spot (not counting those other villages near and far that were overrun during the six months because they didn't attract Tracey's attention originally), and that the spot is so special in the global scale that the nomads bring their exotic Earth connection there with them, eliminating another spatial coincidence.

As for Cloud William ruling the planet, I really like the idea. It's a nice storytelling twist that the bad guys win - that Yankees led by Genghis Khan are the surprise villains of the piece. Of course, they'll have about as much chance of actually controlling the world as ol' Genghis originally had...

That's why I like "Omega Glory" so much: because it works so well completely against writer intent. The glorious words of the Declaration and the Constitution resulted in barbarians slaughtering an entire planet. A world was doomed because it was contaminated by America, probably through a well-intentioned patriot rather than a complete crook like John Gill. And on the classic road to hell paved with good intentions, a flawed hero treads comfortably: the guy rooting for the Communists does the right American thing in defending the underdogs, then suddenly sprouts Christian propaganda to undermine the main heroes. Everything is twisted and turned and forced into a grinder of rethought.

I just do not buy that it is that easy to victimize an entire starship crew... their society can exceed the speed of light, travel to other worlds, and explore them. But someone brings a bug aboard and they all die that easily?

Sounds consistent to me. Star Trek is full of deadly alien diseases that the heroes are powerless to fight, unless they get hold of Magic Rare Ingredient X. It would be out of the norm for the heroic CMO to realize what's going on and successfully fight it if he's allotted all of two minutes for it.

Tracey is trapped on the surface with no way to communicate with the Federation. He's got a communicator, doesn't he? He's the captain of a starship, and his crew is in trouble. The Federation is advanced enough to have voice control over their machines. I find it very hard to accept that he couldn't at least call for help.

You mean, somehow use the puny little hand communicator to tie in to the interstellar communicators of the derelict starship? It's a cool idea, but again inconsistent with the rest of Star Trek. Remote control of starships is basically never an option; automation always fails at the crucial moment, or codes are required and are soon overridden.

Tracey goes from being the most experienced captain in Starfleet, highly regarded, to being a criminal who abandons everything he believes in.

What does he abandon? He defends the villagers against advancing barbaric hordes - the right thing to do even if Starfleet unrealistically insists otherwise. Kirk did that at the drop of the hat, too, and never got reprimanded for it. When Kirk does try to stop Tracey from doing the right thing, it's no wonder the stranded skipper uses drastic countermeasures fitting of his newfound hardened persona. Kirk would have knocked out an evil rival, too, and gunned down his henchmen.

Timo Saloniemi
 
It ran pretty well with two, even with a my little pony t-shirt on.


I'm trying to figure out the physics of that. Without a third leg in the middle to act as a supporting column and help distribute the weight, wouldn't they fall on the faces or asses? :wtf:
 
Indeed.

But it is a big Galaxy, and I doubt if ANY biofilter or whatever other technobabble screening system is used can be guaranteed to be 100% effective on every single frackin' supergerm ever encountered. That includes all the ones that Star Fleet haven't even heard of yet, mind you.

The odds might be billions to one against, but a supergerm only has to be lucky once. Also, maybe someone on Exeter got careless or simply made a mistake at a critical juncture.


Time to break out the decon gel.
 
Indeed.

But it is a big Galaxy, and I doubt if ANY biofilter or whatever other technobabble screening system is used can be guaranteed to be 100% effective on every single frackin' supergerm ever encountered. That includes all the ones that Star Fleet haven't even heard of yet, mind you.

The odds might be billions to one against, but a supergerm only has to be lucky once. Also, maybe someone on Exeter got careless or simply made a mistake at a critical juncture.


Time to break out the decon gel.

:) (Mental picture of fanboys hanging around the decon room whenever particularly appealing crewmembers return from Away Missions.)

Even that may not always be effective, and for the same reasons. Also, let's assume that it works primarily on anything on or in a person's skin. Very hard to see how this is much help against something ingested or inhaled.

Oh, dear. My thinking on this is taking an extremely nasty turn. Some sort of inhalant thingie is plausible to deal with stuff that might be lodged in the lungs. But my mental image of a bucket, funnel and rubber hose sitting in a corner of the decon room is just horrific.
 
The thing is, it's not realistic to decontaminate a human body: we're far too good at sucking in all sorts of dirt and integrating it into our bodies in no time flat. The way to protect poor ourselves from space diseases and poisons is to wear protective clothing.

Alas, for many reasons, spacesuits have been the antithesis of Star Trek. From the start, almost anything and everything from the Buck Rogers school of scifi was dropped, save for the ray guns. That was smart for production reasons, and doubly smart for avoiding the horrible dating effect of such things. But TOS never introduced anything nice and futuristic to replace spacesuits; when TAS did "life support belts", it was already too late.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The thing is, it's not realistic to decontaminate a human body: we're far too good at sucking in all sorts of dirt and integrating it into our bodies in no time flat. The way to protect poor ourselves from space diseases and poisons is to wear protective clothing.

Alas, for many reasons, spacesuits have been the antithesis of Star Trek. From the start, almost anything and everything from the Buck Rogers school of scifi was dropped, save for the ray guns. That was smart for production reasons, and doubly smart for avoiding the horrible dating effect of such things. But TOS never introduced anything nice and futuristic to replace spacesuits; when TAS did "life support belts", it was already too late.

Timo Saloniemi

Tough to remain inconspicuous in a spacesuit or glowing life support belt. ;)
 
Or in any other costume, for that matter. After all, at least one member of your heroic landing party will be wearing a face that's incompatible with the landscape...

The life support belts would probably not have been glowing if they had been introduced in TOS. All sorts of interesting storytelling possibilities would have emerged if our heroes were protected from X but not Y by their invisible shields. But if the heroes acted wisely and never got infected with space bugs, we'd lose quite a few classic Trek stories.

Timo Saloniemi
 
If classic Trek had employed forcefield belts, from a production standpoint, they would probably have depicted the occasional establishing shot of the landing party (why do people keep applying that bloody Next Gen' terminology of "away team"?) activating them before transport is initiated. It would probably have consisted of an actor pressing a button on a belt prop and then several frames of film (maybe 12 to 24) would be tweaked by the optical department, depicting a brief animated "flare", glowing to envelope the performer and then fading from site, something like a phaser disintegration, but without a "dissolve" to a shot without the actor. As long as the character is seen with a belt (possibly with some "indicator", either a dial or a small light), the audience is meant to assume the field is in effect even if there is no visible effect.

I'm not saying they should or should not have gone that route. I'm merely stating how the concept could have been conveyed without too much expense.

Sincerely,

Bill
 
What is up with "The City on the Edge of Forever"?

I find it way too hard to believe that a planet could have a giant doughnut that would transport you back through time to an exact specific moment and place in the past of a completely different planet.
I find it way too hard to believe that a timeline is created where a spaceship never existed to bring Kirk and company to the planet, yet they are somehow still on the planet after McCoy changes history.
Finally, what are the odds that the death of one sole woman would change the outcome of World War II?

What is up with a fine episode like "The Omega Glory" getting slagged for plotholes that EVERY SINGLE Star Trek episode has?
 
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