What is it you want?

[Captain X]

I keep coming across threads, or comments in threads, from those who just don't want to like this movie even before it comes out.

Before I answer your question, I'll ask one of my own: where does this attitude come from? You're talking about people who have seen the same things you have but just feel differently, yet somehow out of that you get that they "just don't want to like this movie".

They seem to be holding this movie up to a higher standard than some of the crappy TREK episodes we have had over the past 40 years (and some very suspect movies as well)

If you knew me you'd know better than to make a blanket statement like that.

Well...what is it you nay-sayers want?

A good Star Trek movie (a simple answer for a smug question). I'd elaborate, but given the snobbish way the question was asked, I doubt any real effort on my part would be worth the time since you'd probably dismiss it out of hand. If you're really interested, I plan on writing an essay about this in hopefully the not too distant future.

Star Trek XI has to get butts in the seats of those theaters. To do this, the plot can not be mired in confusing scifi lingo. It also can't look like a two-hour episode of a STAR TREK TV show (most TREK movies have this problem). But more important, it has to be fun. Shatner, Nimoy, Takei, very seldom to these three agree. But they have all mentioned at one time or another that TREK just stopped being fun...and they are right.

Pick what you think is the worst movie, or the worst episodes that could be made into movies, and ask yourself if you'd feel the same way about it needing to "get butts in the seats of those theaters".

If you nay-sayers are holding out for a Star Trek movie to deliver the 'scifi' goods, like 2001 or something like that, then...you haven't been watching Star Trek.

I've been waiting a while for good Star Trek and it hasn't been delivered, or only in small doses, and this movie isn't delivering it either. Damn me for my consistency.

So...you nay-sayers. WHAT is your problem. And if your answers do not include the following;

Just a suggestion, but you might want to avoid trollish words like "naysayers" - that would be a good start.

1. What is your favorite TREK movie (so as to gage what you think is a good movie)

STXI: The Undiscovered Country, followed by First Contact and TWoK.

Then your answer is useless.

I have this inkling you're going to say that anyway.

Its time to put your cards on the table and then tell us what your ideal TREK movie would be. Because if this STAR TREK movie is in the IRONMAN side of movie entertainment, then...YAHOOOO...its about time I took my non-fans TREK friends to a movie and actually came out of the movie theatre without having my tail between my legs

Well there's your problem right there. Only one of my friends is really as enthusiastic about Star Trek as I am, and the others are only mildly interested or just tolerate my enthusiasm. Anyone who'd give me shit about liking Star Trek can kiss my entire ass, so the idea of being ashamed somehow makes me laugh my as off.

..and lets face it. INSURRECTION and NEMISIS are not how you go about making successful movies...as Berman eventually found out..

And ironically a lot of the hype for this movie reminds me a lot of the hype for NEM, the ads of which also compared it to Star Wars and went on about how new and different it was, while in the publications Berman got his supposedly Trekkie writer to go on about how careful they were being in keeping it consistent with previous continuity, and how we were going to get an awesome fight akin to TWoK between Picard and a worthy adversary. The fans reacted much the same back then, too, with a group of ... enthusiastic supporters bitching about naysayers and how they should wait until the movie comes out, etc - basically everything going on now in this forum.

 

[Captain X]

I think those naysayers want this movie to be EXACTLY like TOS

You think wrong.

 

[urbandk]

I want Star Trek cupcakes and more product placement.

 

[Geckothan]

I want a movie that doesn't totally suck, isn't dumbed down for the average big-budget-overhyped-generic-summer-blockbuster movie-going crowd, doesn't treat the audience like brain-dead wastes of flesh who get excited by big explosions and doesn't break continuity/force fans to think of it as being in an alternate timeline.

The trailers almost confirm my worst fears about the first 3 concerns and the spoilers I've looked at confirm the latter, however judging movies by trailers alone before actually seeing the finished product isn't generally the best idea, and I could overlook the whole alternate timeline/canon issue if the movie is decent enough. I will have to reserve my judgement until I've actually seen it myself.

 

[FlyingLemons]

Naked Hoshi Sato. That's my basic requirement for all Star Trek.

Seconded.

 

[M'Sharak]

Well...what is it you nay-sayers want?

I want someone to have a better argument than calling us "you nay-sayers." Not everyone who has reservations about the new movie does so simply because it's "not exactly like TOS" or even because it eschews continuity as if that were the 'only way to tell a good story.'

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I keep coming across threads, or comments in threads, from those who just don't want to like this movie even before it comes out.

Before I answer your question, I'll ask one of my own: where does this attitude come from? You're talking about people who have seen the same things you have but just feel differently, yet somehow out of that you get that they "just don't want to like this movie".
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Well, that's two people now who treated Robert Scorpio's patented Rush Limbaugh-style pot-stirring with far more seriousness than it ever really deserved.

Rob, I don't think this was a very well-thought-out or well-timed thread. Your

So...you nay-sayers. WHAT is your problem. And if your answers do not include the following;
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Then your answer is useless.

thing comes off way too much like waving a red flag in front of a bull -- a taunt, in other words, and it's not even in service of a position you seem to strongly support. Another poster (lately-departed) has already thoroughly worn that ploy out, and for you to do it now smacks more of attention-seeking and theatrics than of any real interest in finding an answer. But I let it run for a bit, and people have generally behaved pretty well -- even those who felt compelled to answer at length.

Honestly, though, I just don't see this going anywhere very productive, in the long run. If you want to re-think it and perhaps whip it together for re-post as a Future of Trek topic, then I don't see any problem with that, per se, but for now I think this one's done.