What if in the VOY MU Michael Sullivan was a Real Boy?

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Remember how Vic Fontaine was a REAL PERSON in the MU?

That was hilarious. And all fourth wall-ish.

VOY never had an MU ep but just imagine if Michael Sullivan was a Real Man. And Janeway found him, he would be a resistance freedom fighter guy for the underdog and also handy, very handy because she likes those kinds of men.

THE SHOCK.

Of coming face to face with this fun fantasy dude you jerked off to as a REAL PERSON. It's disturbing.

And I don't think she would hare run off with him because you have these fantasy folk as a relief from real life. You don't abandon real life and run into their arms.

But heckuva development. Much more interesting than Vic MU which was shock value only.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Also as a PS please don't post "I always think of Living Witness as VOY's MU" because a. you have said that before and b. it has nothing to so with Michael Sullivan. Just getting ahead of the inevitable, now even more inevitable I know.

 

[Guy Gardener]

1. Mirror Voyager is Captained by Captain Mark Johnson.

2. Angry spurned/scorned people write speculative fiction about how their failed ran away lovers might have not been world class jerks. Heartbroken Felix obviously rebuilt his last shit of a boyfriend holographically as the perfect man for him that the real Vic never could have been as flesh and blood.

 

[Melakon]

I think "Resolutions" hints that Janeway may have considered Chakotay as a potential partner. If Sullivan was somehow flesh and blood in an alternate universe, she might buckle. But if he were real, would his personality and appearance still be the same? Didn't she tweak the holoprogram by altering Mike's parameters to be more to her liking?

I always think of Living Witness as

 

[Guy Gardener]

The final Voyager story.

 

[hux]

Vic Fontaine, a fictional character created in the mind of another, turns out be a real person in an alternative universe!

But but....there are so many questions....but but...you're twisting my melons man....what does that mean for our existence....what does it all mean?

Shatner sing/speaks it best

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ScWvw3yxIw[/yt]

Michael Sullivan would have instantly realised....meh, i can do way better than Janeway

 

[JD5000]

I thought I remembered something about Vic being an android in the MU....am I making that up? I haven't watched those episodes in a while, I have to be in kind of a masochistic mood.

 

[DonIago]

^IIRC the manner of his death makes it unclear whether he was human or other.

In any case, I always figured that his name and appearance were simply the template Felix used when designing the Vic Fontaine hologram, much as Zimmerman used his own appearance as the template when creating the Holodoc and almost used Bashir for the...LMH, was it?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

It would be hilarious if they got sucked into the MU and Chak was a hologram

As to how is it possible that Vic was real, well the whole idea is extremely stupid. Pretty much the most belief stretching stupidness Trek ever did.

So all these people are actually different, different personalities entirely but they have they look exactly like our people because since time immemorial everyone has been having babies with the exact same people everyone in our universe had babies with even though they are totally different people! It's amazing! And none of the ancestors died before doing their bit leading to your dobbleganger, it's almost like there is some kinda destiny deal.

 

[JD5000]

Yup, the MU episodes require a suspension of belief beyond anything else in this fictional universe. They are OK as long as you Do. Not. Think.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

As to how is it possible that Vic was real, well the whole idea is extremely stupid. Pretty much the most belief stretching stupidness Trek ever did.

I used to think MU-Vic was an android, but it's more likely that it was Felix. They call him "Fontaine," but they never use his first name...

In the RU, Felix was probably some nerdish computer geek who created Vic as a kind of idealized image of himself, so MU Felix could have been the badass warrior that RU Felix wasn't.

As for Sullivan: If there was ever a MU Voyager, it would probably be some Klingon/Cardassian slave ship, so perhaps MU Sullivan was a hologram created by the slave overseers to torture the human captives?

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Yup, the MU episodes require a suspension of belief beyond anything else in this fictional universe. They are OK as long as you Do. Not. Think.

In TOS and Ent, yes, but the DS9 MU eps were pretty badly written.

We know where Mirror Tuvok was. The rest of the cast? Maybe they were on a resistance ship in the Badlands swept away by the Caretaker, who found themselves in the kind, evolved, principled embrace of the Kazon Federation.

 

[borgboy]

There are a few different Voyager MU stories in the novels. There was a MU story featuring MU Janeway in the Shatner novels, and there's the duology Dark Passions where all the 24th century female Trek characters were explored, in a trashy novel lesbian subtext kind of way.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Consider that there were an infinite amount of Mirror Universes Jirin.

Some where the Terran Empire fell, and other where it did not, even though both catagories of universe share a history where they met Kirk.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Was Dark Passions actually MU? I thought it was just alt. It was a great romp.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Dark Passions is *a* MU, just not *the* MU. It doesn't fit with the extended continuity that has developed in the novels over the last few years.

 

[Melakon]

I've always disliked DS9's interpretation of the Mirror Universe. In TOS: Mirror, Mirror it seems to be only a transference of consciousness, but DS9 treats it as a physical crossover every time.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

A transfer of consciousness? I don't get you.

TOS MU is the only good MU. Much of DS9's was awkwardly awful and dull.

 

[Pondwater]

At least he wouldn't snore. And Maggie O' Halleron would actually be a real cow.

 

[Guy Gardener]

A transfer of consciousness? I don't get you.

TOS MU is the only good MU. Much of DS9's was awkwardly awful and dull.

Their "souls" crossed over into their alternates bodies.

Which is why their costumes were correct for the universe then were in.

Although...

Hair cuts, scars, broken bones, other impediments... And one thing from the TNG Mirror Universe Novel which seems obvious, the crew was controlled by drugs in the their food. Their mental direction was exactly where the captain needed it... Which means if the Mirror Crew were in their own bodies in the regular universe, they would have quickly went into withdrawals.



This came out not to long ago

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJf2ovQtI6w[/yt]

Most of you should have already seen it because you are good little boys and girls, and didn't want to get on a naughty list.

If Santa wanted a day off from keeping his list, and he told every one he was taking a day off, it would look like, the entire world would look like one of those Purge movies.