What If? Erin Gray had played Janeway

[DataRules]

exodus said:
^^How many people on this board remember Ryan's Hope compared too Buck Rodgers?

When you say on this board you make a qualification because there are more science fiction fans on the board so more might have heard of Buck Rogers than Ryan's Hope. But I think you'd be really surprised how many people outside of sci-fi who are now over 35 have heard of Ryan's Hope - women AND MEN.

And as for the other question - I just don't see Erin Gray bringing the type of passion and energy to the role that Mulgrew did - the kind that would have been necessary to inspire people to follow them to hell. Linda Hamilton comes close as an alternative - and I could imagine her having great chemistry with Robert Beltran.

I could see Gray and someone like Lindsay Wagner in the Janeway role, it just would have been a different character, and I really liked the one we got.

Peace

 

[exodus]

DataRules said:



When you say on this board you make a qualification because there are more science fiction fans on the board so more might have heard of Buck Rogers than Ryan's Hope. But I think you'd be really surprised how many people outside of sci-fi who are now over 35 have heard of Ryan's Hope - women AND MEN.

I understand what I said because I worded it that way on purpose. Trek is geared more toward the sci-fi crowd than those watching Ryan's Hope.

 

[Malcom]

exodus said:

DataRules said:



When you say on this board you make a qualification because there are more science fiction fans on the board so more might have heard of Buck Rogers than Ryan's Hope. But I think you'd be really surprised how many people outside of sci-fi who are now over 35 have heard of Ryan's Hope - women AND MEN.

I understand what I said because I worded it that way on purpose. Trek is geared more toward the sci-fi crowd than those watching Ryan's Hope.

Which is why Sci-Fi is still seen as a limited genre.

Ryan's Hope [never saw it, don't plan on it] was insanely popular in the 70s. I'll bet some folks tuned into Voyager specifically because Mary Ryan was in it. That's why Rosie O'Donnell went apeshit over Voyager.

Pulling actors in from other areas is a good idea if Trek/sci-Fi wants to broaden its fanbase.

 

[exodus]

Malcom said:

exodus said:

DataRules said:



When you say on this board you make a qualification because there are more science fiction fans on the board so more might have heard of Buck Rogers than Ryan's Hope. But I think you'd be really surprised how many people outside of sci-fi who are now over 35 have heard of Ryan's Hope - women AND MEN.

I understand what I said because I worded it that way on purpose. Trek is geared more toward the sci-fi crowd than those watching Ryan's Hope.

Which is why Sci-Fi is still seen as a limited genre.

Ryan's Hope [never saw it, don't plan on it] was insanely popular in the 70s. I'll bet some folks tuned into Voyager specifically because Mary Ryan was in it. That's why Rosie O'Donnell went apeshit over Voyager.

Pulling actors in from other areas is a good idea if Trek/sci-Fi wants to broaden its fanbase.

You just had to mention Rosie O'Donnell, didn't you?

Yeah, I guess it could be a draw for some.
Me personally, I think Trek was more dramatic and better acted when they picked actors that were stage/Shakespearean actors rather than those that have done just soaps.

I hated Mulgrew's soap opera like dramatic pauses during the first 2 seasons. Once she really warmed up to the role, she played it more like a stage actor and really gave the character life.

 

[DarthTom]

exodus said:
I hated Mulgrew's soap opera like dramatic pauses during the first 2 seasons. Once she really warmed up to the role, she played it more like a stage actor and really gave the character life.

In picking stage actors, Brooks, Mulgrew and Stewart suffered I think from that over acting for the camera problem. IMHO it took Brooks the longest to get comfortable with his part.

My partner Ronald when I'm watching DS9 frequently makes fun of Avery Brooks tendency to yell at the viewer through the camera and over dramatize certain lines. Which of course is natural for a stage actor to do but it doesn't play well on TV.

 

[exodus]

DarthTom said:

exodus said:
I hated Mulgrew's soap opera like dramatic pauses during the first 2 seasons. Once she really warmed up to the role, she played it more like a stage actor and really gave the character life.

In picking stage actors, Brooks, Mulgrew and Stewart suffered I think from that over acting for the camera problem. IMHO it took Brooks the longest to get comfortable with his part.

My partner Ronald when I'm watching DS9 frequently makes fun of Avery Brooks tendency to yell at the viewer through the camera and over dramatize certain lines. Which of course is natural for a stage actor to do but it doesn't play well on TV.

I hear that ALLOT but I never agree.

In reading the profile of Sisko, he was supposed to be very passionate. He was described in the profile as: "A man on the verge." Sisko in every aspect of the story was in a situation he didn't want to be in. Even after accepting his assignment, making piece with the idea of being "The Emissary", etc., he then had to deal with being in a war and protecting the most important station in the Alpha Q. That would drive anybody ape-shit. The man never got a break.

 

[captcalhoun]

Erin Gray was nearly Janeway? No shit? Damn! that would've been cool. she was my first SF crush when I was like 5!

everyone would've been complaining about Janeway's tight catsuits not 7of9's

 

[Malcom]

exodus said:
Me personally, I think Trek was more dramatic and better acted when they picked actors that were stage/Shakespearean actors rather than those that have done just soaps.

I hated Mulgrew's soap opera like dramatic pauses during the first 2 seasons. Once she really warmed up to the role, she played it more like a stage actor and really gave the character life.

Actually, Mulgrew did a lot of stage work and a good amount of Shakespeare. The soaps are really the minor leagues of film acting now. Nowhere else do you get that much time in front of a camera. But I think you're right that Shakespeare is a good place to find Trek Captains. Particularly for women, it's the ONLY time women get to make speeches.

 

[exodus]

Malcom said:
Particularly for women, it's the ONLY time women get to make speeches.

True, true.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Malcom said:
Ryan's Hope [never saw it, don't plan on it] was insanely popular in the 70s. I'll bet some folks tuned into Voyager specifically because Mary Ryan was in it...

...Pulling actors in from other areas is a good idea if Trek/sci-Fi wants to broaden its fanbase.

Exactly. Mulgrew was, and is, a much better known actor to the world at large than Gray and therefore represented a much bigger potential "bump" than Gray could have.

To suggest that Erin Gray's casting would have enhanced the size of Voyager's audience because she was well-known among skiffy fans is to propose that in 1994 there was a significant number of sci-fi TV fans who neither knew or cared that a new "Star Trek" series was on the air but who were familiar with and devoted to the cast of a series that had aired fifteen years before. Not bloody likely.

 

[exodus]

^^Who was suggesting that?

 

[DataRules]

exodus said:
^^Who was suggesting that?

Well actually, you did when you wrote this:

"^^How many people on this board remember Ryan's Hope compared too Buck Rodgers?"

This statement suggests that because Gray was in a scifi series, she would have been brought a bigger audience to Trek than Mulgrew who was in a soap opera. Every post on Page 2 of this thread counters your point.

Not trying to start a fight.

Peace.

 

[exodus]

DataRules said:

exodus said:
^^Who was suggesting that?

Well actually, you did when you wrote this:

"^^How many people on this board remember Ryan's Hope compared too Buck Rodgers?"

This statement suggests that because Gray was in a scifi series, she would have been brought a bigger audience to Trek than Mulgrew who was in a soap opera. Every post on Page 2 of this thread counters your point.

Not trying to start a fight.

Peace.

You people read way too much into things.

All it really suggests is that more people on this board know of Buck Rodgers more than Ryan's Hope. It's doesn't mean they'd tune in anymore or less than they did before. For example: I know of Gina Torres's from Cleopatra 2525 but that doesn't mean I tuned into Firefly to see her. My point was sci-fi fans are fimilar with Erin, it doesn't mean they'd automatically tune in to watch her.

 

[Kieran]

What about Peri Gilpin as Janeway?

Competent actress AND big boobs in one actress.

Might have obviated the Seven of Nine character... well, Ryan's rather fleshy "assets" would still have been welcomed.

 

[DataRules]

exodus said:

DataRules said:

exodus said:
^^Who was suggesting that?

Well actually, you did when you wrote this:

"^^How many people on this board remember Ryan's Hope compared too Buck Rodgers?"

This statement suggests that because Gray was in a scifi series, she would have been brought a bigger audience to Trek than Mulgrew who was in a soap opera. Every post on Page 2 of this thread counters your point.

Not trying to start a fight.

Peace.

You people read way too much into things.

All it really suggests is that more people on this board know of Buck Rodgers more than Ryan's Hope. It's doesn't mean they'd tune in anymore or less than they did before. For example: I know of Gina Torres's from Cleopatra 2525 but that doesn't mean I tuned into Firefly to see her. My point was sci-fi fans are fimilar with Erin, it doesn't mean they'd automatically tune in to watch her.

Of course that's what you meant when you responded to UWC Defiance.

 

[Corran Horn]

My Mom recognized Kate Mulgrew from "Mrs. Columbo".

I had never seen her in anything.

I've had a crush on Erin Gray since "Buck Rogers" and "Silver Spoons".

 

[exodus]

DataRules said:

exodus said:

DataRules said:

exodus said:
^^Who was suggesting that?

Well actually, you did when you wrote this:

"^^How many people on this board remember Ryan's Hope compared too Buck Rodgers?"

This statement suggests that because Gray was in a scifi series, she would have been brought a bigger audience to Trek than Mulgrew who was in a soap opera. Every post on Page 2 of this thread counters your point.

Not trying to start a fight.

Peace.

You people read way too much into things.

All it really suggests is that more people on this board know of Buck Rodgers more than Ryan's Hope. It's doesn't mean they'd tune in anymore or less than they did before. For example: I know of Gina Torres's from Cleopatra 2525 but that doesn't mean I tuned into Firefly to see her. My point was sci-fi fans are fimilar with Erin, it doesn't mean they'd automatically tune in to watch her.

Of course that's what you meant when you responded to UWC Defiance.

Sorry, I had no idea you were telepathic and knew exactly what I meant better than I do.

You can believe whatever you wish. I'm not going to argue or roll my eyes over something as stupid as an obvious misunderstanding. Especially not over a fictional TV show, that's for sure.

 

[Wesson]

When Kate was cast, the word was it was a flip of the coin between her and the second choice. Being a veteran "working actor" and a pro, used to the long hours of work, was the difference maker. The most important factor after the Bujold debacle. As far as I know, the second choice was never revealed, although I always thought it was Berman's choice, the actress' name slips my mind, but she played Leah Brahms on TNG.

 

[Searider Falcon]

Susan Gibney. Part of the reason she wasn't chosen was that (I think) the studio felt she was too young to play a captain.