What happened to the "improved" Voyager technology?
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I had to look it up to see what you were talking about but if it's the conflict in the Bassen Rift nebula as seen in Nemesis then I don't see how it would've made any difference if the Enterprise, or any other ship, had improved technology recovered from Voyager, includng the Batmobile armour type shield they had. The Scimatar was a powerful ship and would probably been able to even get through those type of defenses eventually.
Not for another 30 years...
I agree with the Borg Queen.
The Scimitar may have been a 'pinnacle of Romulan technology' but it was a pinnacle of technologies the Romulans developed UP to THAT point in time.
Voyager's future technologies were 26 years ahead of anything the Federation had ... and the Feds were said to be the most technologically advanced in the AQ.
If they wanted to make a ship like the Scimitar, they would have been able to make a ship that is well ahead of Scimitar in just about any department.
The Basen rift incident happened 2 years after Voyager got back.
That means Voyagers technologies would still be 24 years ahead of anything the Romulans or Remans have at their disposal.
The deployable armor took heavy punishment from the Borg in 2377 whose weapons systems are more advanced and powerful than any other race in the galaxy (well, perhaps apart from the Voth).
The Scimitar, while being a powerful starship would have been long destroyed by Voyager before it managed to take down the armor by only 10 or 15%.
Heck the Negh'Var class war ships in admiral Janeways timeline were firing at her armored shuttle and she was not concerned by them (and the shuttle was not shaking at all).
There are several possibilities as to why SF never used future technologies.
They wanted to prevent contamination of the timeline (a futile attempt since the timeline admiral Janeway came from didn't exist from the moment she traveled back into the past).
SF wanted to avoid power shift in the galaxy and not violate the temporal prime directive (which was already violated and if other races got their hands on those techs, they would use them at the earliest opportunity).
But SF has been known to portray stupidity (thanks to the writers) and could lock away those techs as an excuse to avoid any more breaches of the temporal PD.
However, putting those future technologies on the side, Voyager DID bring back numerous techs that would just as well create an extremely big advantage to the Federation.
If the writers are to be trusted, then we will only see a glimpse of those technologies some 100 years AFTER Voyager got back home.
The Scimitar may have been a 'pinnacle of Romulan technology' but it was a pinnacle of technologies the Romulans developed UP to THAT point in time.
Voyager's future technologies were 26 years ahead of anything the Federation had ... and the Feds were said to be the most technologically advanced in the AQ.
If they wanted to make a ship like the Scimitar, they would have been able to make a ship that is well ahead of Scimitar in just about any department.
The Basen rift incident happened 2 years after Voyager got back.
That means Voyagers technologies would still be 24 years ahead of anything the Romulans or Remans have at their disposal.
The deployable armor took heavy punishment from the Borg in 2377 whose weapons systems are more advanced and powerful than any other race in the galaxy (well, perhaps apart from the Voth).
The Scimitar, while being a powerful starship would have been long destroyed by Voyager before it managed to take down the armor by only 10 or 15%.
Heck the Negh'Var class war ships in admiral Janeways timeline were firing at her armored shuttle and she was not concerned by them (and the shuttle was not shaking at all).
There are several possibilities as to why SF never used future technologies.
They wanted to prevent contamination of the timeline (a futile attempt since the timeline admiral Janeway came from didn't exist from the moment she traveled back into the past).
SF wanted to avoid power shift in the galaxy and not violate the temporal prime directive (which was already violated and if other races got their hands on those techs, they would use them at the earliest opportunity).
But SF has been known to portray stupidity (thanks to the writers) and could lock away those techs as an excuse to avoid any more breaches of the temporal PD.
However, putting those future technologies on the side, Voyager DID bring back numerous techs that would just as well create an extremely big advantage to the Federation.
If the writers are to be trusted, then we will only see a glimpse of those technologies some 100 years AFTER Voyager got back home.
Something tells me the overly time travel conscious 24th Century Starfleet would've kept the technology under wraps knowing where it came from. Then there's the possibilty that Temporal Agents like those aboard 'Relativity' might've eventually done something about it.
Voyager's finale just drives me crazy and it broke so many of the rules that prevented them getting home earlier. Imagine if a jet fighter touched down at an airbase in the 1930's for instance... Endgame was sloppy writing, with none of the consequences dealt with.
Voyager's finale just drives me crazy and it broke so many of the rules that prevented them getting home earlier. Imagine if a jet fighter touched down at an airbase in the 1930's for instance... Endgame was sloppy writing, with none of the consequences dealt with.
Well given the Enterprise-E didn't wipe the floor with the Scimitar in one second with one transphasic torpedo, I suspect the conscientious timecops from the 29th century popped in immediately after Voyager's return and said "Yeahhhh... I'm sure you'd have loved to sink your teeth into all this wonderbrass tech, but no... Huh?
Yes?
Ah, yeahhhh... we're kinda from the 29th Century and, as such, we dictate what the fuck goes on with the space-time continuum... well, provided the 31st or 33rd Century timecops don't pop in and tell us otherwise. Hell, they must have they same problem with timecops from the 40th century... well, presuming there *is* a 40th century. Anyway, they'd tell the same story we've just told you bu... hey, you're going off on a tangent here!
Tech = not yours!
*YOINK*
Have a nice century.
"
Simple.
Yes?
Ah, yeahhhh... we're kinda from the 29th Century and, as such, we dictate what the fuck goes on with the space-time continuum... well, provided the 31st or 33rd Century timecops don't pop in and tell us otherwise. Hell, they must have they same problem with timecops from the 40th century... well, presuming there *is* a 40th century. Anyway, they'd tell the same story we've just told you bu... hey, you're going off on a tangent here!
Tech = not yours!
*YOINK*
Have a nice century.
"Simple.
We might argue that the future technologies were only efficient against the Borg, and would not offer any great advantage against conventional enemies.
Granted, Admiral Janeway's armored shuttle was able to withstand fire from Future Klingon warships for a while. But then again, so was Future Kim's little tub, without the benefit of that armor. So we could deduce that the future Starfleet vessels had some other technological advantage over future Klingons, one that Admiral Janeway wisely did not hand over to Captain Janeway.
Timo Saloniemi
Granted, Admiral Janeway's armored shuttle was able to withstand fire from Future Klingon warships for a while. But then again, so was Future Kim's little tub, without the benefit of that armor. So we could deduce that the future Starfleet vessels had some other technological advantage over future Klingons, one that Admiral Janeway wisely did not hand over to Captain Janeway.
Timo Saloniemi
...Unless the incident of The Pegasus already caused everybody to design an anti-phasing system and to implement it in their standard shields. If that didn't happen, why isn't Starfleet already equipped with transphasics in the 2370s, installing tiny copies of the Pegasus machinery in its torpedoes and not giving a damn about the occasional misfire in this uncrewed application?
Tuvok specifically makes mention that the systems of Admiral Janeway's craft appear to have been designed with Borg in mind. When we remember how special an adversary the Borg are (not believing in conventional shields in "BoBW", for example), it isn't that much of a leap to assume that they would be less superior against other types of foe.
Timo Saloniemi
Tuvok specifically makes mention that the systems of Admiral Janeway's craft appear to have been designed with Borg in mind. When we remember how special an adversary the Borg are (not believing in conventional shields in "BoBW", for example), it isn't that much of a leap to assume that they would be less superior against other types of foe.
Timo Saloniemi
If you design body armor with the intention of making it bullet-proof, there's a good chance you'll be able to defend against bows and arrows, too.
Not necessarily. Bulletproof armor of the wearable type today often is frighteningly vulnerable to knives, for example. And armor can also backfire: if you make your vehicle able to withstand rifle bullets, it becomes a deathtrap when hit by a RPG that otherwise might have gone harmlessly through.
So protective measures today are often carefully tailored against a particular threat, and personnel and vehicles protected against one foe are seldom sent against another. The same might be true of the future to some degree - even if standard forcefield shields do seem to be the end-all solution to every type of threat imaginable.
Timo Saloniemi
So protective measures today are often carefully tailored against a particular threat, and personnel and vehicles protected against one foe are seldom sent against another. The same might be true of the future to some degree - even if standard forcefield shields do seem to be the end-all solution to every type of threat imaginable.
Timo Saloniemi
But they're all designed to work against energy weapons, not projectiles or melee weapons.
Star Trek shielding, I mean.
Star Trek shielding, I mean.
It has disappeared form the database just like every other magical engineering solution used as a plot device in Trek over the years.
Shit, the Federation seems to have even lost circuit breaker technology that was developed ya know in tandem with electricity and the electrical grid.
As often as you see flying sparks on the bridges of ships.Fact : the purpose of the deployable armor is to defend the ship from enemy weapons fire.
It was designed to defend against the Borg first and foremost, but as I previously stated, Borg weapons are much more advanced/powerful in comparison to any AQ or BQ races.
The armor was extremely thick and even when it was severely damaged and on the brink of failing, protected Voyager from an exploding Borg sphere (as far as I recall, Voyager was in a dead center of the explosion).
So we can safely assume that the deployable armor would be for the moment impenetrable, or extremely hard to penetrate with what Alpha and Beta Quadrant races have at their disposal.
Transphasic torpedoes:
If the title is any indication, then their special trait lies within the capability to phase and explode inside a designated target.
Also keep in mind that those torpedoes are 26 years ahead of what the Federation has.
So it's not a stretch to assume their explosive yield will also be far superior in comparison to torpedoes that SF uses at the moment.
Uhm Timo, Rhode Island may not have had armor in place, but still, the Klingons were not focusing their fire power on Kim but rather on Janeways shuttle giving him an advantage to disable the ships without interruptions.
And to make things clear: the said technologies ARE Federation technologies.
Btw ... even when SF varied their weapons frequencies, they still had to produce large amounts of fire power if they wanted said attacks to be a success.
so in addition to making their weapons more efficient against the Borg, they also had to make weapons that delivered a much bigger blow.
It was designed to defend against the Borg first and foremost, but as I previously stated, Borg weapons are much more advanced/powerful in comparison to any AQ or BQ races.
The armor was extremely thick and even when it was severely damaged and on the brink of failing, protected Voyager from an exploding Borg sphere (as far as I recall, Voyager was in a dead center of the explosion).
So we can safely assume that the deployable armor would be for the moment impenetrable, or extremely hard to penetrate with what Alpha and Beta Quadrant races have at their disposal.
Transphasic torpedoes:
If the title is any indication, then their special trait lies within the capability to phase and explode inside a designated target.
Also keep in mind that those torpedoes are 26 years ahead of what the Federation has.
So it's not a stretch to assume their explosive yield will also be far superior in comparison to torpedoes that SF uses at the moment.
Uhm Timo, Rhode Island may not have had armor in place, but still, the Klingons were not focusing their fire power on Kim but rather on Janeways shuttle giving him an advantage to disable the ships without interruptions.
And to make things clear: the said technologies ARE Federation technologies.
Btw ... even when SF varied their weapons frequencies, they still had to produce large amounts of fire power if they wanted said attacks to be a success.
so in addition to making their weapons more efficient against the Borg, they also had to make weapons that delivered a much bigger blow.
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Tristan said:
Well given the Enterprise-E didn't wipe the floor with the Scimitar in one second with one transphasic torpedo, I suspect the conscientious timecops from the 29th century popped in immediately after Voyager's return and said "Yeahhhh... I'm sure you'd have loved to sink your teeth into all this wonderbrass tech, but no... Huh?
Yes?
Ah, yeahhhh... we're kinda from the 29th Century and, as such, we dictate what the fuck goes on with the space-time continuum... well, provided the 31st or 33rd Century timecops don't pop in and tell us otherwise. Hell, they must have they same problem with timecops from the 40th century... well, presuming there *is* a 40th century. Anyway, they'd tell the same story we've just told you bu... hey, you're going off on a tangent here!
Tech = not yours!
*YOINK*
Have a nice century.
Simple.
And if they come back, they find the Federation gone, and the Borg rule instead.
The only tiny hell of a chance the Federation has against a Borg that next time around will have adapted to the new tech, is whatever they can develop from that new tech, somehow advancing over 30 years of broad technological development in just a few short years to get weapons and energy production 31 years ahead of the time.
I always assumed the 29th-century Starfleet stepped in and removed the future tech from the 'present'.
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