Yeah, most definitely. Seeing the huge ship approaching the Enterprise was my very first OH SHIT moment... an even more amazing feat considering the limitations of 1960s TV!
What happened to the First Federation?
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Yeah, most definitely. Seeing the huge ship approaching the Enterprise was my very first OH SHIT moment... an even more amazing feat considering the limitations of 1960s TV!
Starfleet is the Federation's only military. When a planet joins the Federation, its existing military forces are absorbed into Starfleet. This was made clear in DS9's Rapture, when plans for absorbing the Bajoran Militia into Starfleet were under way following Bajor's planned admittance into the Federation.
I have often considered the possibility (in deference to established canon) that the First Federation is, in fact, the United Federation of Planets; that Fesarius was a test used by the Federation to assess membership possibilities of new races and that Earth made first contact--and shortly thereafter, joined--the Federation. Enterprise's missions in the second season of TOS could therefore be interpreted as their first assignment on behalf of their new allied government.
Afterwards, Federation headquarters being on Earth is just a coincidence; the capital rotates between member worlds depending on who happens to be president at any given time, and Earth's candidate just happened to win the election shortly before TWOK.
Just my one and a half imaginary cents.
Afterwards, Federation headquarters being on Earth is just a coincidence; the capital rotates between member worlds depending on who happens to be president at any given time, and Earth's candidate just happened to win the election shortly before TWOK.
Just my one and a half imaginary cents.
The Tamarians are represented in the newest VOY Unworthy, a doctor on one of the ships is Tamarian. (I want to say it's Voyager's Doc)
Mr. Bailey transmitted the Chicken Pox virus to the people of the First Federation and they all DIED! 
Mister Bailey (slimeball that he is...) retreated back to Starfleet Headquarters via his private FirstFed shuttle to San Fran-sicko and was charged with war crimes.
"Ignorance of the biological laws is no excuse MISTER!"
He was then the only Starfleet officer executed for something other than visiting Talos IV, but it was covered up by Section 31.
So, there ya have it...and the Federation has the First Federation ship at Memory Alpha as a museum piece.
Mister Bailey (slimeball that he is...) retreated back to Starfleet Headquarters via his private FirstFed shuttle to San Fran-sicko and was charged with war crimes.
"Ignorance of the biological laws is no excuse MISTER!"
He was then the only Starfleet officer executed for something other than visiting Talos IV, but it was covered up by Section 31.
So, there ya have it...and the Federation has the First Federation ship at Memory Alpha as a museum piece.
Maybe there is no First Federation?
Balok scared the Enterprise with all those party tricks, but maybe he is just a kid with some fancy toys.
And TOS did have some continuity. As mentioned, 'By Any Other Name' namedrops 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' and 'A Taste Of Armaggedon'. Pretty much every time the Klingons appear in TOS after 'Errand Of Mercy', the Organian Peace Treaty is mentioned. They refer back to the Horta in 'That Which Survives'. And then there's Harry Mudd, of course.
TAS had loads of TOS references. TNG toned down on them. DS9 has loads of them.
Balok scared the Enterprise with all those party tricks, but maybe he is just a kid with some fancy toys.
And TOS did have some continuity. As mentioned, 'By Any Other Name' namedrops 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' and 'A Taste Of Armaggedon'. Pretty much every time the Klingons appear in TOS after 'Errand Of Mercy', the Organian Peace Treaty is mentioned. They refer back to the Horta in 'That Which Survives'. And then there's Harry Mudd, of course.
TAS had loads of TOS references. TNG toned down on them. DS9 has loads of them.
That isn't entirely accurate. We know that planets are allowed to maintain their own independent police forces and militaries. The Vulcan V'Shar comes to mind.
That's an intelligence agency, according to "Gambit". We haven't heard of a "regular" police force apart from Starfleet, or of a real local military - although the existence of "national" intelligence agencies might be taken to suggest that there's room for those, too.
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Actually, not even the entire space forces part of the Militia is absorbed into Starfleet. The Militia continues to exist, but there seems to be a sort of command structure for how it will interact with Starfleet vessels.
I'd equate it to the way the state defense forces and National Guards co-exist with the federal army and air force in the U.S.
Memory Beta says this about Bailey:
How can Bailey still be alive in 2373? He'd be 132 years old...
How can Bailey still be alive in 2373? He'd be 132 years old...
24th century.
Picard looks like he's in his late 40s when we meet him inm S1 of TNG, but he's in his 50s.
Plus, Admiral McCoy.
With regards to what happened to the First Federation - they were merged with the Sheliak and the Tamarians and established Nimbus III as their capital.
Picard looks like he's in his late 40s when we meet him inm S1 of TNG, but he's in his 50s.
Plus, Admiral McCoy.
With regards to what happened to the First Federation - they were merged with the Sheliak and the Tamarians and established Nimbus III as their capital.
I was going to mention the good doctor myself, wasn't he something like 140 during the series premier of TNG?
Exactly. Taking just the context of the episode into account (and please correct me if I'm not remembering correctly), the Enterprise comes upon what is believed to be a huge, powerful ship from an organization called the "First Federation," with some green, frowning, asshole alien threatening to kill them. Later, it turns out that it was just some three-year-old-human-looking alien who explicitly states that he was just testing them, and everything was fake, from the Balok puppet to the revelation that his tiny ship actually controls everything (implying that the large ship is nothing more than a fake shell intended to intimidate the Enterprise). The real Balok mentions nothing about a First Federation, implying that this was false information too. I always assumed the same thing that the above poster stated: Balok is just one guy, or his people aren't this huge First Federation thing everyone thinks they are.
Having just watched the episode again this week... THIS is what I am leaning more towards now.
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