What happened to Section 31 after Star Trek Into Darkness? *SPOILERS*

[The Rock]

Spoiler

Since Section 31 tried to murder him and his ship, did Starfleet shut down Section 31? I mean, Starfleet couldn't have been happy with the fact that Section 31 tried to kill one of their own.

They couldn't have just let Section 31 continue on without any repercussions right?

 

[NCC-73515]

I would've liked to see the consequences of the head of Starfleet attacking the Enterprise, ordering an attack on Qo'noS without the council being involved, secretly building a warship and employing an ancient augment...

 

[F. King Daniel]

Starfleet said it was a weather balloon that crashed in San Francisco and carried on as before.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Section 31 isn't the perpetrators of the attack, it's actually the victims. Khan blows up their headquarters and murders a bunch of them.

Marcus may be a member or may not be. As Chief Naval Officer, I suspect he's more like Admiral Ross in that they answer to HIM rather than the other way around.

Political patronage for the rogue agency or "It's not actually a rogue agency but we all pretend it is."

 

[F. King Daniel]

Section 31 isn't the perpetrators of the attack, it's actually the victims. Khan blows up their headquarters and murders a bunch of them.

Marcus may be a member or may not be. As Chief Naval Officer, I suspect he's more like Admiral Ross in that they answer to HIM rather than the other way around.

Political patronage for the rogue agency or "It's not actually a rogue agency but we all pretend it is."

Section 31 in ID is the same as Disco S2. A legitimate branch of Starfleet. As such, it answers to Marcus.

 

[fireproof78]

Spoiler

Since Section 31 tried to murder him and his ship, did Starfleet shut down Section 31? I mean, Starfleet couldn't have been happy with the fact that Section 31 tried to kill one of their own.

They couldn't have just let Section 31 continue on without any repercussions right?

I would imagine that the Federation and Starfleet actively tried to dismantle Section 31 as best they could. This would make it easier to maintain peace with the Klingons by stating it was a rogue element, rather than the whole Federation attacking Kronos. Kirk's speech at the memorial could just as easily be a part of "This isn't who we are" as a way of acknowledging Marcus' work as being outside of Starfleet's values.

I think Section 31 was shut down because it tried to start a war. Had Kirk not come back Marcus' could have easily spun it the other way against Kirk as the instigator.

 

[Charles Phipps]

I would imagine that the Federation and Starfleet actively tried to dismantle Section 31 as best they could. This would make it easier to maintain peace with the Klingons by stating it was a rogue element, rather than the whole Federation attacking Kronos. Kirk's speech at the memorial could just as easily be a part of "This isn't who we are" as a way of acknowledging Marcus' work as being outside of Starfleet's values.

I think Section 31 was shut down because it tried to start a war. Had Kirk not come back Marcus' could have easily spun it the other way against Kirk as the instigator.

I doubt the Klingons ever knew about any of this because Kirk did NOT attack Kronos.

Also, is Section 31 responsible for any of this? Yes, Khan blew them up but I assumed the Vengeance was actually Marcus' project as Starfleet CNO.

 

[Timo]

And, considering that Marcus was perfectly willing to go to his beloved war RIGHT NOW, the Vengeance probably was just the tip of a big and black iceberg, and Starfleet indeed was ready to take on the Klingons.

In which case the Vengeance probably wasn't all that secret (heck, tabletop model!), and had little or nothing to do with S31. It's just that Marcus chose to run a shady mission with her, and one involving mercenaries rather than S31 operatives at that.

Perhaps S31 (and SF Intel in general) gets a funding boost for sorting out this mess?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Nyotarules]

After Federation hearings, Section 31 is officially closed down, officers resign or transferred all done under the watchful eye of Luther Sloane's great grandfather Admiral Lex Luther Sloane

 

[fireproof78]

I doubt the Klingons ever knew about any of this because Kirk did NOT attack Kronos.

Also, is Section 31 responsible for any of this? Yes, Khan blew them up but I assumed the Vengeance was actually Marcus' project as Starfleet CNO.

No, but Federation personnel could be reported on Kronos, even if they're exact identity was unknown. Kirk and company had to get back to the Enterprise somehow, so the Klingons may have figured out something.

But, Section 31 offers a convenient rogue element that the Federation can fling under the bus, with a brave new Starfleet emerging from that.

 

[saddestmoon]

It declared insolvency and came back a few years later renamed Section 32 and is now in the business of resource management...

 

[fireproof78]

It declared insolvency and came back a few years later renamed Section 32 and is now in the business of resource management...

Strangely, that is their cover story is resource management for colonial administration in one novel, I believe. Not the bankruptcy part.

 

[saddestmoon]

Ha! Really? I didn’t know that (I was literally making it up!).

Now I’m keen to read that novel...

 

[fireproof78]

Ha! Really? I didn’t know that (I was literally making it up!).

Now I’m keen to read that novel...

I think it is the Bureau of General Services or some extremely innocuous name. The novel is Shatner's "Collision Course" and is a rather interesting take on Kirk and Spock's teen years.

 

[XCV330]

In an economy without money, it doesn't seem to hard to keep a black-ops agency running without funding

 

[Tenacity]

ordering an attack on Qo'noS without the council being involved, secretly building a warship and employing an ancient augment...

What makes you think the council didn't have full knowledge? After they made the decision, Marcus was brought in, read in on the project, and told to manage the council's plan.

A legitimate branch of Starfleet. As such, it answers to Marcus.

And Marcus answers to the council.

I think Section 31 was shut down because it tried to start a war.

Okay, but then they would have to turn right around and reconstitute S31 under another name, headed by (mostly) the same people.

The old guard bureaucracy lives on.

 

[fireproof78]

Okay, but then they would have to turn right around and reconstitute S31 under another name, headed by (mostly) the same people.

The old guard bureaucracy lives on.

I mean, maybe? A lot of their resources were knocked out and a lot of leadership lost. Even if they were able to rebuild themselves it would be smaller and more clandestine than before.

 

[Tenacity]

I mean, maybe?

It depends on whether the Abrams-universe's version of Section 31 provides a perceived benefit to the federation that out-weighs the detriments.

A lot of their resources were knocked out

One large ship and a annex in London. Maybe some offices in San Fransisco?

and a lot of leadership lost

Well Marcus is gone, so regardless if he were completely in charge or just acting as the subordinate of the council, just plug in a new leader/manager and press on.

The largest number of dead and injured would have been at the S31 annex in London. That would have been some management and mostly clerical personnel.

Even if they were able to rebuild themselves

Any rebuilding would be done through the federation or maybe Starfleet.

it would be smaller and more clandestine than before.

If it's needed, it will still exist as it was before. My impression is that the Abrams-universe S31 is similar to the STD S31, while they conduct clandestane activities, it's not a completely secret organization.