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What happened to Remus when they showed romulus getting destroyed?

... the explosion from causing additional damage since the energy is spreading out away from the point where it began.
Well two different ideas of mine are, if Spock uses the red matter on the body of the super-nova and the Hobus super-nova were somehow actively "pushing" the FTL shockwave, then collapsing the Hobus super-nova into a blackhole would cut off the energy that was causing the shockwave to propagate.

The other idea, Spock in his mindmeld with nuKirk indicated that even after the destruction of Romulas, Spock still had time to effect a positive result, nuSpock theorized that red matter could manipulate space-time, So when Spock collapsed the super-nova, he didn't just stop the effects, Spock actually reversed the effects of the shockwave, Romulus would have been as good as new.

Just a couple of ideas.

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Certainly there was a time limit for Spock to act even after Romulus was destroyed ("I had little time"). Possibilities:

1) Past that limit, the effects could not be reversed.
2) Past that limit, the effects could not be stopped, and the galaxy would eventually be destroyed no matter what else was done; Romulus would stay dead in any case.
3) Past that limit, the effects would hit their next target (Remus?); Romulus would stay dead in any case.
4) Past that limit, Spock's primed red matter would turn against him, so it had to be jettisoned even if it could no longer save anybody in the Romulan system and even if the supernova as such didn't threaten anybody else any more.

Alternative 4 is techno-logically easy to accept, as it assumes nothing about the nature of the supernova or the way a black hole (or other result of red matter use) would stop one. Alternative 1 grants red matter the greatest powers, but it's sort of logical that if it demonstrably sends two starships to the past, it could inherently have time-reversing effects. Alternatives 2 and 3 beg the question of the exact mechanism of supernova stopping...

Timo Saloniemi
 
^Except option 4 doesn't make sense, since the Red Matter then spends at least a day on Nero's ship, perfectly content.

Remember that according to the meld, the star goes supernova before Spock even meets with Romulan leadership, and before the Jellyfish is prepared. At the very least, he needed time to get from Romulus to Vulcan before he can launch, and all this time the supernova's raging on, "consuming everything in it's path". IMO this suggests a bigger scale to the destruction than one system.
 
^Except option 4 doesn't make sense, since the Red Matter then spends at least a day on Nero's ship, perfectly content.
Only in its spherical form, mind you. When a droplet is extracted into one of those cylinders, it might be unstable.

Remember that according to the meld, the star goes supernova before Spock even meets with Romulan leadership, and before the Jellyfish is prepared.
Only if we assume the meld, and Spock's narrative, is linear.

The events could go differently, though. Spock figures out Eisn is going to blow; he equips a ship with red matter in an attempt to stop that from happening; his predictions are slightly off and he's too late.

If the star had already exploded when Spock set course for Romulus, his predictions would not be off: there'd be nothing surprising about Romulus being destroyed (although it could still be "unthinkable", even if Vulcans aren't famed for refusing to think about that which is). If there's nothing surprising about the timescale of destruction, why bother going there in the first place, when chances of success are exactly zero?

I guess it all boils down to whichever theory best explains how Spock could have "little time" after Romulus was lost. If a distant hyper-supernova did it, why would there be particular hurry at that point in stopping it from destroying the rest of the galaxy? Why not a few hours or weeks or centuries later? if Eisn blowing did it, what else in the Romulan star system would remain to be saved in a hurry? Remus? But most theories would have Remus dying simultaneously with Romulus anyway. And the visuals show a slowly moving wave of destruction; even if it's extreme slow motion, the physical appearance of the destruction is a better match for a STL than a FTL wave.

This is why the "unstable primed red matter" theory might offer the best explanation to Spock's tight schedule in closing the barn door after the horses have stampeded the farmer's family to death.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Except option 4 doesn't make sense, since the Red Matter then spends at least a day on Nero's ship, perfectly content.
Perhaps red matter has a limited shelf life, it decays, loses potency

On one day Spock can collapse a super-nova, the next say all Nero can do is collapse Vulcan, and if he hurries, Earth too.

The day after that?
 
The question is why Spock needed a huge tank of the stuff when you used a syringe to remove enough to wipe out a planet?
 
The question is why Spock needed a huge tank of the stuff when you used a syringe to remove enough to wipe out a planet?
The outer part of the ball of red matter is useless, it's the rind of the fruit. Only the goo in the very center is any good.

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We already had the "why so much red matter" discussion in another thread, but I believe my points at the time were-

1) Maybe it's significantly more impractical/difficult to create less than the amount shown (kind of like trying to make something using fractions of an egg).

2) Maybe they didn't know how much Red Matter they'd create when they created it.
 
As said, the stuff might not be stable in small quantities. Spock apparently knows he can stop the supernova with just a droplet, yet he packs the whole bubble for his trip to Romulus. And when the big bubble does get fractionated into droplets in the finale, those only create the disastrous black hole when interacting with each other, not yet when the supposed containment field around the bubble is destroyed.

Timo Saloniemi
 
So you pack enough Red matter to create thousands of black holes into a one man ship and send it into enemy territory. What could go wrong?
 
We don't know that Spock went into Romulan space alone, only that he went through the red-matter pseudo-black hole alone.
 
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