What happened immediately after the conclusion of Cause and Effect?

[Prologic9]

Re: What happened immediately after the conclusion of Cause and Effect

The Enterprise-C had Guinan's intuitive knowledge of the alteration of the timeline. That was reasonable proof of what they were suppose to do. Otherwise they would have never gone back.

Meanwhile the Bozeman didn't just travel from point A to point B in time, they were looping as time passed around them. A kind of temporal cryostasis really. Or like Scotty in the transporter. The real question to ask is why didn't they ever figure it out? It only took the Enterprise crew like a week.

 

[Lazarus]

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Right, just like that WWII ship appearing in the here and now means that she was not important to the Allied victory; the Bozeman had no importance to it's time period. So I think we're both agreeing that there is no reason to send the Bozeman back. Her disappearance did not have a drastic effect on history.

But I don't understand this 'drastic effect' business, if history is changed even slightly who knows what happens to the existing timeline? Again if there is no record of the Bozeman following it's disapperance in the Typhon Expanse, why would anyone in their right mind send the ship back and therefore change history?

I wouldn't send a ship back if there was a chance this 'version' of me, with my memories ect, would vanish and be replaced by another created by the Bozeman going back in time!

No one with any sense would risk doing it, Starfleet included.

 

[Tom Riley]

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Right, just like that WWII ship appearing in the here and now means that she was not important to the Allied victory; the Bozeman had no importance to it's time period. So I think we're both agreeing that there is no reason to send the Bozeman back. Her disappearance did not have a drastic effect on history.

But I don't understand this 'drastic effect' business, if history is changed even slightly who knows what happens to the existing timeline? Again if there is no record of the Bozeman following it's disapperance in the Typhon Expanse, why would anyone in their right mind send the ship back and therefore change history?

I wouldn't send a ship back if there was a chance this 'version' of me, with my memories ect, would vanish and be replaced by another created by the Bozeman going back in time!

No one with any sense would risk doing it, Starfleet included.

I think what they are saying is that they wouldn't want to change the timeline by sending them back, PLUS the current timeline turned out fine without them so it doesn't make sense to send them back no matter what.

 

[Vanyel]

Re: What happened immediately after the conclusion of Cause and Effect

Right, just like that WWII ship appearing in the here and now means that she was not important to the Allied victory; the Bozeman had no importance to it's time period. So I think we're both agreeing that there is no reason to send the Bozeman back. Her disappearance did not have a drastic effect on history.

But I don't understand this 'drastic effect' business, if history is changed even slightly who knows what happens to the existing timeline? Again if there is no record of the Bozeman following it's disapperance in the Typhon Expanse, why would anyone in their right mind send the ship back and therefore change history?

I wouldn't send a ship back if there was a chance this 'version' of me, with my memories ect, would vanish and be replaced by another created by the Bozeman going back in time!

No one with any sense would risk doing it, Starfleet included.

I think what they are saying is that they wouldn't want to change the timeline by sending them back, PLUS the current timeline turned out fine without them so it doesn't make sense to send them back no matter what.

Right, no one would do it.

Side note: If we use Parallels as an example, it wouldn't matter one way or the other. The Bozeman traveling into the future sent the time line it came from into one direction, the direction where the Bozeman barely misses hitting the 1701-D and stays in the future.

Assuming they could send it back, it's return would create a time line where the Bozeman went into the future and came back with the help of the 1701-D and/or the Federation of that time. That act would create a new divergent time line that has no effect on the time line where the Bozeman stayed in thre future.

 

[Lazarus]

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To be honest I think Starfleet would have whole books of protocols in place to deal with time-displacement situations like this - I would think that any Starfleet ship travelling forward in time, where history records it vanished, would remain in the future. I think all Starfleet crews would accept that if history records that they never went back, it would be unthinkable to try because the possible consequences would be too great.

 

[Finn]

Re: What happened immediately after the conclusion of Cause and Effect

But this wouldn't have stopped Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway and Archer.

 

[Shazam!]

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The real question to ask is why didn't they ever figure it out? It only took the Enterprise crew like a week.

They had a robot sort it out for them.

 

[Lazarus]

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But this wouldn't have stopped Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway and Archer.

Got no way of telling though have we?

 

[UssGlenn]

Re: What happened immediately after the conclusion of Cause and Effect

Meanwhile the Bozeman didn't just travel from point A to point B in time, they were looping as time passed around them. A kind of temporal cryostasis really. Or like Scotty in the transporter. The real question to ask is why didn't they ever figure it out? It only took the Enterprise crew like a week.

Actually we don't know that for sure. Picard says it may have happened to them but he's just guessing at the end of the episode. It's been a while since I've seen it but, isn't the reset of time caused by the energy released by the explosion? If so, the Bozeman couldn't be in a loop since they don't have anything to run into to cause a loop for the first several decades.

What I think happened is the Boseman did a simple A-B time jump and the interaction between that effect and the energy is causing the Ent D to loop. the Boseman only travels once, it's just that the Enterprise runs into that single trip many times.

 

[digger]

Re: What happened immediately after the conclusion of Cause and Effect

Meanwhile the Bozeman didn't just travel from point A to point B in time, they were looping as time passed around them. A kind of temporal cryostasis really. Or like Scotty in the transporter. The real question to ask is why didn't they ever figure it out? It only took the Enterprise crew like a week.

I agree 100% with your thoughts here. At least that's how I took it.

 

[Vanyel]

Re: What happened immediately after the conclusion of Cause and Effect

There could be a few reasons as to why the Bozeman, if it indeed was caught in the loop, didn't figure it out.

No one heard and sounds like Dr. Crusher did. If I remember correctly, only she heard the voices.

If someone did hear the voices, they may not have a tricorder with them most of the time, like Dr. Crusher usually does. Back in the days of the Bozeman tricorders were big, bulky and black.

They had no Data, and possibly no computer able to discern the voices and separate them out.

The whole thing to the 1701D crew was ~24 hours. For the Bozeman it could have been a few minutes, a few seconds, or an instant, leaving them no echo of the loop.

 

[buckeyenation]

Re: What happened immediately after the conclusion of Cause and Effect

the captain of the bozeman went to on to host a call in talk radio show and live with his father