Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Attentiveluke, Feb 15, 2018.
What about Khan? Wake him up, then wipe his memory before putting him back to sleep.
Same here - I don't think anything is off limits for the staff who run Star Trek though.
They at least have the example of what DIDNT work with Enterprise, and its clear they are familiar with that show. The Borg episode and the Ferengi episodes are not better moments. The Borg episode isn't BAD but the grandma paradox it introduces wasn't needed. The Ferengi episode is just awful. It's a big galaxy, they should try more new things.
I think Saru should get a turn at telling KHHHAAAANNNN!!!!
Alex Kurtzman said in a recent interview that they're limited by canon of who they could possibly show up on the Enterprise.
They do look at the canon.
Spoilers for Section 31 Novel "Control"
Section 31 killed most people who had knowledge about the Romulans origins. 31 was afraid that this would lead to dissent within the Federation. Maybe they still do that? Of course they let Kirk live.
This is why they should have done the series post-Nemesis. I know its an old argument but 2 series in a row before TOS limits things.
Yeah, they "look" at it alright, then throw it over their shoulder
We have had a bomb planted at the heart of Qo'noS, and never mentioned again, functional faster-than-transwarp drive, never mentioned again - glancing at canon isn't the same as using it judiciously - do you think if they wanted Q in the show, or the Borg, that good taste will restrain them? I mean I wish that was true as much as you man.
And putting it after VOY limits it just as much, if not more. I honestly never got this argument, that setting a series during an era with vague and at times quite contradictory screen canon is somehow much more constricted and problematic than setting it proximate to an era with a ton more screen content that is relatively consistent, but not familiar to the casual viewer.
The (pre-)TOS era is largely unexplored onscreen and is open to a lot of possibilities. The post-TNG era suffered more and more from small universe.
"How about if we X."
"No, you can't do X because it contradicts something that happened on that episode of Voyager that 4 percent of our viewing audience saw, but will get really mad about."
Beginning of season 2..
The mycelial network is restored by the actions of Discovery.
A dejected air traffic controller, distracted over the death of his heroin addicted daughter makes a terrible mistake, resulting in the death of hundreds of victims.
Later as he looks over an area of wreckage in his home town, willing himself to die by overdose of blue-sky he found in the rental his daughter was found dead in, he takes his first breath of smoke just as a spore from the reestablished myceliar network reaches his part of Albequerque. The combination of high quality methamphetamine, despair over the human race, spore drive, and his professional understanding of time and spatial awareness break him town into pure energy, into more than pure energy. He is nothing but questions. He is Q.
He should diffuse into raw energy or at least the ultimate high, but he doesn't, he fights. Time is meaningless. It may take the age of the universe but he will take over the mycelial network, going back to the beginning. There is no network. There is only continuum.
But it isn't enough. There was someone else.. someone behind it all. He cannot remember. But he has a vision. Q will persecute learned bald men from now on.
If you set Discovery immediately after VOY, I might agree with you. But if you set the series 50, 100, or 1000 years later you can do pretty much any story you want. You have the entire universe and billions of years of elbow room. Limiting yourself to the time period between ENT and TOS and navigating 50 years of shows and books is a lot tougher task.
Instead of just explaining how we got to where we are you have to explain how we are going to get to where we are going.
The problem with that is that it runs a huge risk of making Trek stale because the show is still going to, on some level follow the Trek formula, and that somehwat swashbuckling age of daring captains in their saucery ships shouldnt last forever. How much real technical advances has the UFP had at the end of Nemesis than it had at the beginning of Enterprise? If you get too stagnant you get to a galaxy like Star Wars where not much has really changed in 30,000 years. That's boring. Starfleet is supposed to be a scientific organization. Maybe they already discovered everything, but I'd really like to see them avoid the far future until they and an audience are ready for something VERY different.
Probably the Borg, if the show lasts a couple more seasons. Almost certainly the Romulans being Vulcan offshoots (even better and more DSC-esque: Just have everybody already know. It's still the same continuity no matter what, right?)
If you set it 50, 100 or 1000 years later, I suspect it won't be recognizable as Star Trek anymore.
Drexler had some good ideas for Enterprise J, the idea of it being esentially a city or series of cities inside, capable of going to other galaxies. (though all we see of it is fighting sphere builders with some very famliar looking ships, alongisde). But I dont think that type of future would work for trek.
What I do think would work, and it was a proposal made to CBS was for a kind of emerging-from-dark ages type series. Something bad happens, galactic civilization falls apart, Starfleet rebuilds, or attempts to. THAT might be a post nemesis show I'd watch.
"This is too dark. Star Trek is supposed to be hopeful etc."
The bolded part of this stands out to me, because an audience doesn't know what they want until it is given to them. When you pander to what the audience wants, you create stagnation.
Discovery suffers from being shoehorned between two established series. From the inception, they have limited themselves by what has been and what will be. If they show things never shown, then they're questioned why it isn't already known from earlier or why it isn't remembered later. Their only out is to do a reset button, rendering everything pointless, or to classify it which basically does the same thing. If they only follow strictly to canon, then they risk the fallout of not being innovative and only covering known ground that has been done better before.
At least setting it post Nemesis/Voyager, what is already known doesn't necessarily have to stay that way, because the future isn't set in stone until it happens. For just one example of how it could work, see my post here.
Except they have the spore drive, which in theory would allow Discovery to do all kinds of things the show hasn't done before.
They did go for an extended trip in the Mirror Universe. The degree to which that was done IS new for Trek and i think it worked pretty well. Before it gets un-invented or classified or just broken, I'd like to seem them use it for things that have never been done before. go to new places.
Going to new places doesn't mean they have to come back.
I agree with this 100%. If they don't come back, it doesn't affect what comes later. This is what I expected (and still do to an extent) from the beginning. I have a feeling it won't happen though, because they are saying the closer we get to TOS, the more we'll see how this all ties in.
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